Comments Thread For: Roach on Mayweather's 50-0 Run: Pacquiao Had Better Quality of Wins

[JulVal]

Nope. Receipts don't add up.

Just the Illegal IVs alone should be a DQ for him what more all the evidences pointing to a fluke win.

Pac connected more.. FACT.

Even the Whole SPAIN knows Pac won.

Watch @ 13:45 - Boxing analysts and Olympic Trainers saw a Robbery..

You also dont score a fight based on 'punches' landed.

You score it based on
Effective Agression
Defense
Clean Punches Landed
Ring Generalship

If you really want to convince me, show me a video that considers all 4 criterias round by round rather than showing me a slow mo video of their punch stat..

In my eyes, Mayweather had the clear edge on Defense and Ring Generalship. The fight was fought in Mayweather's pace. Manny tried to be aggressive but was not effective in most of the rounds. Key word is most as he was effective in some rounds..

Now, considering he landed more punches in more rounds, but lost in the other 3 criteria, how can you then say that he won?

Furthermore, on the IV, fouls, or shoulder injury, we can blame the comissions and referees on that; or even Pacquiao for continuing to fight with the injury..

In terms of 'fact', we cant dispute their official boxing record because the fact is, Manny lost.

However, I still believe Manny is greater than Floyd and one win does not dispute my subjective belief.

[The D3vil]

I agree.

Another underrated fact about Manny's career is that he hasn't fought in his home country in over a decade.

Every fight for him was a road fight.

compare that with Floyd who never left his adopted hometown of Las Vegas for the past 15 years.

Never went overseas or in his opponent's backyard.

Manny went to guys backyards, beat them, got robbed at times, but kept doing it.

[Ryannn]

You can nitpick Pac and Floyd's resumes till the cows come home but the truth is they are pretty close in terms of quality of opposition.

Personally I would give it slightly to Pac because of his fights with MAB, EM, JMM. Other than those fights, I see them as dead even.

Both are definite ATG's. One is retired and one is fighting part time. Both fanbase should give it a rest

[Kagami Taiga]

Madonna was prime when Floyd beat him right.

Why Floyd don't brag about beating a prime Marcos Madonna.

He should be embarrassed he fought this slow, short armed come forward guy twice.

Why should he be embarrassed about struggling with a guy like Maidana as his career winded down. I suggest you look at some of the guys even greater fighters struggled with or lost to as they aged out. You not even making sense right now my guy.

[JulVal]

You can nitpick Pac and Floyd's resumes till the cows come home but the truth is they are pretty close in terms of quality of opposition.

Personally I would give it slightly to Pac because of his fights with MAB, EM, JMM. Other than those fights, I see them as dead even.

Both are definite ATG's. One is retired and one is fighting part time. Both fanbase should give it a rest

Same. Personally its all subjective anyway.

In my personal subjective view, his wins over the ATG mexicans and the fact that he started at mininum weight makes me favor Pac in terms of 'greatness'.

[Spoon23]

You also dont score a fight based on 'punces' landed.

You score it based on
Effective Agression
Defense
Clean Punches Landed
Ring Generalship

If you really want to convince me, show me a video that considers all 4 criterias round by round rather than showing me a slow mo video of their punch stat..

In my eyes, Mayweather had the clear edge on Defense and Ring Generalship. The fight was fought in Mayweather's pace. Manny tried to be aggressive but was not effective in most of the rounds.

Now, considering he landed more punches in more rounds, but lost in the other 3 criteria, how can you then say that he won?

Go to my thread. The most viewed thread in NSB history almost 800,000 views.

712 pages, and not one single Floyd fan can ever dispute the facts.

Everything is in there. More detailed analysis


https://www.boxingscene.com/forums/b...s-blow-by-blow


Effective Aggression - You can't have effective aggression if you can't connect more than your opponent. Pac landed more so he has that

Defense - you can't have effective defense if your defense has holes and the one landing more is your opponent. That's Pac again landing more than Floyd. Meaning he has better defense since he got hit less.

Clean and effective Punches. Pac landed the cleaner more effective punches throughout the night as I've shown to you. And I even have gifs to show the strength of the punches which is a factor in scoring.

samples of clean effective punches. Floyd was landing shoe shine punches while Pac was landing those crisp heavy punches.











Ring Generalship - Who was chasing who? Who was the majority of the time in the center of the ring. That again is Pac chasing Floyd from Pillar to post.

Here's a heatmap video to prove who owns the center of the ring that night.

[jmrf4435]

Yuup--


and daddy Haymon robbed pacman of doing something no one lese really has-

Shame on this sport-

[JulVal]

Go to my thread. The most viewed thread in NSB history almost 800,000 views.

800 pages not one single Floyd fan can ever dispute the facts.

Everything is in there. More detailed analysis


https://www.boxingscene.com/forums/b...s-blow-by-blow


Effective Aggression - You can't have effective aggression if you can't connect more than your opponent. Pac landed more so he has that

Defense - you can't have effective defense if your defense has holes and the landing more is your opponent. That's Pac again landing more than Floyd. Meaning he has better defense since he got hit less.

Clean and effective Punches. Pac landed the cleaner more effective punches throughout the night as I've shown to you. And I even have gifs to show the strength of the punches which is a factor in scoring.

samples of clean effective punches. Floyd was landing shoe shine punches while Pac was landing those crisp heavy punches.











Ring Generalship - Who was chasing who? Who was the majority of the time in the center of the ring. That again is Pac chasing Floyd from Pillar to post.

Here's a heatmap video to prove who owns the center of the ring that night.

I can already see a hole in your argument. Its all still based on 'overall' landed punches based on your slow mo video.

The problem is, the judges dont look at it that way and they score the fight round by round.

Look, my views are subjective too when I said that Mayweather won. However, the fact is, the judges didn't see it that way.

Its a highly technical and close chess match in which the judges saw Floyd winning more rounds than Manny.It is what it is and its the fact.

Your views are subjective just like mine unfortunately and the only thing that counts is how it was scored that night by the judges approved by both Floyd and Pacquiao.

[Toyman]

Go to my thread. The most viewed thread in NSB history almost 800,000 views.

712 pages, and not one single Floyd fan can ever dispute the facts.

Everything is in there. More detailed analysis


https://www.boxingscene.com/forums/b...s-blow-by-blow


Effective Aggression - You can't have effective aggression if you can't connect more than your opponent. Pac landed more so he has that

Defense - you can't have effective defense if your defense has holes and the one landing more is your opponent. That's Pac again landing more than Floyd. Meaning he has better defense since he got hit less.

Clean and effective Punches. Pac landed the cleaner more effective punches throughout the night as I've shown to you. And I even have gifs to show the strength of the punches which is a factor in scoring.

samples of clean effective punches. Floyd was landing shoe shine punches while Pac was landing those crisp heavy punches.











Ring Generalship - Who was chasing who? Who was the majority of the time in the center of the ring. That again is Pac chasing Floyd from Pillar to post.

Here's a heatmap video to prove who owns the center of the ring that night.

These videos are more than 5 years old at this point and we still have not seen a rebuttal from Floyd's fans that comes close to being as conclusive as this.

This site is littered with salty Floyd fans, who pretty much spend their whole life on this site and their collective effort after half a decade has produced a few gifs of Floyd landing inconsequential jabs.

We all know deep down this is a difficult topic for Floyd fans.

-illegal iv
-outboxed and outlander by a one-armed former flyweight manny

[Spoon23]

I can already see a hole in your argument. Its all still based on 'overall' landed punches based on your slow mo video.

The problem is, the judges dont look at it that way and they score the fight round by round.

Look, my views are subjective too when I said that Mayweather won. However, the fact is, the judges didn't see it that way.

Its a highly technical and close chess match in which the judges saw Floyd winning more rounds than Manny.It is what it is and its the fact.

Your views are subjective just like mine unfortunately and the only thing that counts is how it was scored that night by the judges approved by both Floyd and Pacquiao.

Yeah, that's a fact they gave it to Floyd.. but does the audit show he deserved it. Not a chance buddy. Receipts don't add up. It only shows how corrupt Vegas Judges, compubox, referee was for Floyd.


Boxing is about connecting bud. Pro boxing is about the Hurt Business. Always is always was..

Shoe shine punches are for amateur's. Gravity of punches are scored higher than shoe shine punches or what you call pitter patter shots.

And if you've scene the detailed video per round punch connects in my thread. Those vid clips of each round assessed not this one I'm showing here. Those are Clearer and more precise.

Pac not only has the clean effective punches he had the more number of punches even if you count Floyd shoe shine punches Pac still got more punch connects per round that was disputed.

Those criterias you mention will only work if the fighter connected more on his opponent.

I've already explained it to you.I don't make the rules. It's how boxing works.

Everything correlates to who connected more per round is how the round is scored.

Now, going back.

A fighter can't have the win in the round if these aren't met.

yes, but like I said you can't have these 4 criterias if your opponent did more.. Why?

I explained why..

There's a reason why Floyd had the lowest punchout of his career in that fight. And to add insult to injury.. Compubox even padded that punch connects even though it was already dismal as proven by those videos in my thread.That should show you how scared he fought as Floyd Sr was even telling his son.

Go to my thread and see the light.

https://www.boxingscene.com/forums/b...s-blow-by-blow

Effective Aggression - You can't have effective aggression if you can't connect more than your opponent. Pac landed more so he has that

Defense - you can't have effective defense if your defense has holes and the one landing more is your opponent. That's Pac again landing more than Floyd. Meaning he has better defense since he got hit less.

Clean and effective Punches. Pac landed the cleaner more effective punches throughout the night as I've shown to you. And I even have gifs to show the strength of the punches which is a factor in scoring.


Ring Generalship - Who was chasing who? Who was the majority of the time in the center of the ring. That again is Pac chasing Floyd from Pillar to post.

You do know what Ring Generalship means right? It's he who commands the center of the ring throughout the fight. That was Pacquiao. Facts.