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[RJJ-94-02=GOAT]

People hate Haymon because of his business practices. He keeps fighters on his side of the street at all cost. He rarely works with other promotors to put on the fights that everyone wants to see. He's an isolationist. And this is why people don't like Haymon.

You’re correct to an extent but he does occasionally work with other promoters though. It doesn’t happen often but Bob doesn’t work with other promoters often, nor does Hearn or Warren.

As proven by Mayweather-Pacquiao, Lomachenko-Russell, Fury-Wilder I and II etc Haymon is willing to work with other promoters for the right fights.

Even if you’re not a fan of his business practices, is that really a reason to hate the guy? I’m not one of these PBC fanboys or anything like that, but I do believe Haymon consistently makes better fights than any other promoter/advisor in the sport at the moment. There are definitely promoters making far worse fights than Al, look at Matchroom’s fight camp the last few weeks.

[YoungManRumble]

Skimmed through 3 pages looking for a picture of Canelo photoshopped with Einstein hair.

I am disappoint.

[Cypocryphy]

You’re correct to an extent but he does occasionally work with other promoters though. It doesn’t happen often but Bob doesn’t work with other promoters often, nor does Hearn or Warren.

As proven by Mayweather-Pacquiao, Lomachenko-Russell, Fury-Wilder I and II etc Haymon is willing to work with other promoters for the right fights.

Even if you’re not a fan of his business practices, is that really a reason to hate the guy? I’m not one of these PBC fanboys or anything like that, but I do believe Haymon consistently makes better fights than any other promoter/advisor in the sport at the moment. There are definitely promoters making far worse fights than Al, look at Matchroom’s fight camp the last few weeks.

What you said is actually not true. Let's keep it real. First, the Lomachenko vs Russell fight only happened because of Golden Boy. Haymon roadblocked that. It had to go to purse bids. Second, the Wilder vs Fury fight happened before Tyson was with Top Rank. Fury signed with Top Rank after their first fight for co-promotional rights. Moreover, that Fury was a cherry pick gone wrong for Wilder. He thought Fury was washed up and just wanted to say he beat the lineal champ. That backfired, as we all know.

So yeah, Haymon doesn't make the fights. He refuses to cross the street, and like I said, that's why people hate him. I think they really started hating him when he wouldn't let Spence fight Crawford. That's when everything amped up.

[RJJ-94-02=GOAT]

What you said is actually not true. Let's keep it real. First, the Lomachenko vs Russell fight only happened because of Golden Boy. Haymon roadblocked that. It had to go to purse bids. Second, the Wilder vs Fury fight happened before Tyson was with Top Rank. Fury signed with Top Rank after their first fight for co-promotional rights. Moreover, that Fury was a cherry pick gone wrong for Wilder. He thought Fury was washed up and just wanted to say he beat the lineal champ. That backfired, as we all know.

So yeah, Haymon doesn't make the fights. He refuses to cross the street, and like I said, that's why people hate him. I think they really started hating him when he wouldn't let Spence fight Crawford. That's when everything amped up.

Nonsense… How can you roadblock a fight that happened?

If it was a cherry pick then why do the rematch when they knew Fury was capable of beating Wilder? The reality is they made that fight cause it was a mega fight that made sense financially. That’s simply how boxing works.

Fury was with Top Rank for the second fight, it was a co-promotion. Same as Mayweather-Pacquiao. That alone proves Haymon is willing to work with other promoters for the right fights whether you choose to admit that or not.

Crawford was the guy that signed the extension with TR. I consistently defend Crawford on here as a lot of the PBC fans unnecessarily hate on him and his resume but the fact he signed that deal was always going to make the Spence fight difficult. Crawford is essentially being overpaid on ESPN as Arum himself has suggested, so with him not being a big draw there’s not an incentive to make a co-promotion when Spence vs Pacquiao, Porter, Garcia etc will draw better or similar numbers. Again it’s just how boxing works, if Bob had Haymon’s stable at 147 he’d do the exact same.

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Meh haymon holds up the sport just lIke other promoters


why can’t plant go over to dazn

Because Al would detach his retina.

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What you said is actually not true. Let's keep it real. First, the Lomachenko vs Russell fight only happened because of Golden Boy. Haymon roadblocked that. It had to go to purse bids. Second, the Wilder vs Fury fight happened before Tyson was with Top Rank. Fury signed with Top Rank after their first fight for co-promotional rights. Moreover, that Fury was a cherry pick gone wrong for Wilder. He thought Fury was washed up and just wanted to say he beat the lineal champ. That backfired, as we all know.

So yeah, Haymon doesn't make the fights. He refuses to cross the street, and like I said, that's why people hate him. I think they really started hating him when he wouldn't let Spence fight Crawford. That's when everything amped up.

Wilder has been active at hw for a while now. Felt like there was a lot of great fights they should have tried to make for Wilder (Haye, Wlad, Vitaly)

[Cypocryphy]

Nonsense… How can you roadblock a fight that happened?

You road block the fight by refusing to negotiate.

Golden Boy matchmaker Eric Gomez told RingTV.com on Monday that he "had a discussion today" with Russell's advisor, Al Haymon, who wanted to eschew negotiations and go straight to the purse bid.

That's how one does it. The WBO mandated that fight for the vacant title. That's how that whole fight happened. If they hadn't ordered it, then those two would have never fought. Granted, Arum probably pushed the WBO to do so because he owns it, de facto, but that's irrelevant to Haymon roadblocking negotiations. Luckily Russell was working with Golden Boy at that time, otherwise who knows what would have happened. Things just, by a stroke of luck, fell into place.

If it was a cherry pick then why do the rematch when they knew Fury was capable of beating Wilder? The reality is they made that fight cause it was a mega fight that made sense financially. That’s simply how boxing works.

It was definitely a cherry pick gone wrong. Absolutely. Do you remember what Fury looked like? Coked out of his mind? Suicidal? Who wants to fight someone like that? But little did Wilder know that Fury would pull himself out of that hole and give him the fight of his life. Anyway, there was a rematch clause after the first fight to be exercised.

Deontay Wilder wants revenge, and he wants it as soon as possible.

The boxer known as the Bronze Bomber has exercised his rematch clause with Tyson Fury, according to ESPN's Dan Rafeal, who also reported that Top Rank chairman and Wilder's co-promoter Bob Arum disclosed to him the fight is scheduled for July 18 at Las Vegas' MGM Grand Garden Arena.

Deontay was going to make that fight happen. Yes, it was co-promoted, but they were legally bound to put on that fight, so Haymon had to oblige. That's just the truth of the matter.

Fury was with Top Rank for the second fight, it was a co-promotion. Same as Mayweather-Pacquiao. That alone proves Haymon is willing to work with other promoters for the right fights whether you choose to admit that or not.

I believe Mayweather had already separated and established his own promotional outfit at that time. Someone correct me if I'm wrong, but Haymon had put a stop to all negotiations up to that point.

Crawford was the guy that signed the extension with TR. I consistently defend Crawford on here as a lot of the PBC fans unnecessarily hate on him and his resume but the fact he signed that deal was always going to make the Spence fight difficult. Crawford is essentially being overpaid on ESPN as Arum himself has suggested, so with him not being a big draw there’s not an incentive to make a co-promotion when Spence vs Pacquiao, Porter, Garcia etc will draw better or similar numbers. Again it’s just how boxing works, if Bob had Haymon’s stable at 147 he’d do the exact same.

There was a reason why Crawford signed again. I think there was some promise of making the fight with Spence, to be honest. But Spence had his car accident and that changed everything. I believe there was some talk of Arum and Haymon working together. Some promise. Whether it was BS or not, I have no idea.

Anyway, I'm not trying to make it sound as if the other promotors are all that much better because they are not, but I have to agree that Haymon is the worse in not trying to reach out and shake that hand of the other promotors.

[Cypocryphy]

Wilder has been active at hw for a while now. Felt like there was a lot of great fights they should have tried to make for Wilder (Haye, Wlad, Vitaly)

Oh yeah. There were a ton of fights they could have made for Wilder. And Wilder did fight some relatively okay fighters, but the good fights he avoided. The hard fights. And Haymon did this because everyone knew that Wilder is a one trick pony. If he can't fight someone who he can land that right hand on, then the fight won't happen. Like Ortiz ... Ortiz was old and didn't have his legs anymore, a fairly stationary target. It was no secret to the world that Wilder doesn't have the fundamentals. And that's why we never saw Wilder vs Haye, or Vlad or Vitaly or Joshua. They kept Wilder away from Joshua at all cost.

[RJJ-94-02=GOAT]

You road block the fight by refusing to negotiate.

Golden Boy matchmaker Eric Gomez told RingTV.com on Monday that he "had a discussion today" with Russell's advisor, Al Haymon, who wanted to eschew negotiations and go straight to the purse bid.

That's how one does it. The WBO mandated that fight for the vacant title. That's how that whole fight happened. If they hadn't ordered it, then those two would have never fought. Granted, Arum probably pushed the WBO to do so because he owns it, de facto, but that's irrelevant to Haymon roadblocking negotiations. Luckily Russell was working with Golden Boy at that time, otherwise who knows what would have happened. Things just, by a stroke of luck, fell into place.



It was definitely a cherry pick gone wrong. Absolutely. Do you remember what Fury looked like? Coked out of his mind? Suicidal? Who wants to fight someone like that? But little did Wilder know that Fury would pull himself out of that hole and give him the fight of his life. Anyway, there was a rematch clause after the first fight to be exercised.

Deontay Wilder wants revenge, and he wants it as soon as possible.

The boxer known as the Bronze Bomber has exercised his rematch clause with Tyson Fury, according to ESPN's Dan Rafeal, who also reported that Top Rank chairman and Wilder's co-promoter Bob Arum disclosed to him the fight is scheduled for July 18 at Las Vegas' MGM Grand Garden Arena.

Deontay was going to make that fight happen. Yes, it was co-promoted, but they were legally bound to put on that fight, so Haymon had to oblige. That's just the truth of the matter.



I believe Mayweather had already separated and established his own promotional outfit at that time. Someone correct me if I'm wrong, but Haymon had put a stop to all negotiations up to that point.



There was a reason why Crawford signed again. I think there was some promise of making the fight with Spence, to be honest. But Spence had his car accident and that changed everything. I believe there was some talk of Arum and Haymon working together. Some promise. Whether it was BS or not, I have no idea.

Anyway, I'm not trying to make it sound as if the other promotors are all that much better because they are not, but I have to agree that Haymon is the worse in not trying to reach out and shake that hand of the other promotors.

Going to purse bids isn’t roadblocking a fight. The fight literally happened so clearly Haymon didn’t block it or they would have withdrawn from the purse bids.

By the time Fury-Wilder 1 got signed, Fury was back in decent shape, off the drugs, back in a good headspace and had won two fights during his comeback. I get that in the first fight we didn’t know how good Fury still was but it was still a risky fight for Wilder to take. Definitely not a cherry pick and the competitiveness of the fight supports that. Whatever though man, I’m cool to agree to disagree with you on that, it’s a matter of opinion.

Nah I’m pretty sure Mayweather was still with Haymon for the Pacquiao fight. Haymon has always remained in Mayweather’s circle in an advisory role of some sort. He’s no longer his manager, but they’ve always continued working together. He talks about their relationship in that article.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.boxingnewsandviews.com/2018/10/20/mayweather-opens-up-on-relationship-with-al-haymon-and-how-he-influenced-pacquiao-vs-broner/amp/

I pretty much agree on the Crawford-Spence stuff, both Haymon and Bob are at fault for that. Haymon is no worse than any of the other promoters/advisors from my perspective, that’s why I don’t get the hate. Haymon, Bob, Oscar, Warren, Hearn etc all only look out for their own interests and that’s why a lot of these big fights don’t happen. It’s just how the boxing business operates unfortunately.

[Cypocryphy]

I pretty much agree on the Crawford-Spence stuff, both Haymon and Bob are at fault for that. Haymon is no worse than any of the other promoters/advisors from my perspective, that’s why I don’t get the hate. Haymon, Bob, Oscar, Warren, Hearn etc all only look out for their own interests and that’s why a lot of these big fights don’t happen. It’s just how the boxing business operates unfortunately.

I agree with you 100 percent on this. haha Absolutely. And it sucks for us. I think it sucks for the boxers too.