I think John Fury might be responsible for Fury-Wilder III getting delayed

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Fury has fought the way he did against Wilder II, under Peter Fury. Before the rematch, I kept on mentioning that 'Fury will fight Wilder, the same way he fought USS Cunningham'.

Sugar Hill is a good trainer, he seems very direct and certain.

I don't think this chopping and changing is good for Fury, I am not sure whether Sugar Hill Steward is in camp?

This change could be a game changing variable.

No he didn’t he was fighting hesitant until the last round .vs Wilder at no time at all was Fury fighting to knockout Wilder under Peter Fury . In fact Freddie Roach called it right the entire fight but he was overruled by Davison which cost Fury the first fight because it I opened him up to the aggressive Wilder be he didn’t shut him down in the right spots .

Id say Fury not that dumb to not have Sugar around ,if he is well ? It completely changes my mind of Fury knowing about boxing .

I won’t make this a U.S vs U.K thing but certainly U.S trainers are more adaptable to how to do the little things right s far more . The U.K certainly has overall better talent at the moment in the heavyweight class but as far as training I think better stuff has been passed down to over here and it’s more hard nosed . I personally think Ali Bashir , Sugar Hill and Joe Gamache are the best trainers for their heavyweight fighters listening and watching them . All are U.S based .

Great boxing brains that know how to give their guys the best possible attempt to win .

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No he didn’t he was fighting hesitant until the last round .vs Wilder at no time at all was Fury fighting to knockout Wilder under Peter Fury . In fact Freddie Roach called it right the entire fight but he was overruled by Davison which cost Fury the first fight because it I opened him up to the aggressive Wilder be he didn’t shut him down in the right spots .

Id say Fury not that dumb to not have Sugar around ,if he is well ? It completely changes my mind of Fury knowing about boxing .

I won’t make this a U.S vs U.K thing but certainly U.S trainers are more adaptable to how to do the little things right s far more . The U.K certainly has overall better talent at the moment in the heavyweight class but as far as training I think better stuff has been passed down to over here and it’s more hard nosed . I personally think Ali Bashir , Sugar Hill and Joe Gamache are the best trainers for their heavyweight fighters listening and watching them . All are U.S based .

Great boxing brains that know how to give their guys the best possible attempt to win .

Peter Fury was training Tyson Fury, when he fought USS Cunningham.

That is the fight, I am talking about.

Note: I actually wrote a longer response, but I must of deleted it by accident. I cannot be bothered writing it again. I think the best UK trainers are Adam Booth & Don Charles, I have no idea why? Booth has not worked with any heavyweight since David Haye's retirement.

[Fanofreason]

Watching Wilder take clean punches from Ortiz, and then watching the 2nd Fury fight.....something was def up.

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Yea I do wonder now if Sugar is still in the camp, a consultant or will be in the corner. This could be detrimental to the 3rd fight…..if it indeed happens.

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In a recent interview with boxing social, John Fury's exact words about Tyson were "I'm in charge now"

I suspect that John wasn't happy with Fury's camp in America and got in Tyson's ear.

Fury always listens to his dad, so I think he'll train with John and then move his camp back over to the States for the last few weeks.

In hindsight, I think the Covid thing was bs.

Yeah I'm a Fury fan, but I tell it how it is. I still support the guy and i think he beats Wilder and Joshua, as long as the fights happen soon.

Tyson isn't getting any younger and sooner or later all his out of the ring antics, the weight gain etc, will catch up with him.

Could not agree more... Absolutely.

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John Fury was also telling him to walk away from AJ because he said negotiations were taking to long but referenced Tyson was to rusty for AJ it wasn’t a fair fight without a warm up fight for his son then con****uously Tyson came out spurring the same thing how ring rust is a major factor . It goes to show they are still Cherry picking Wilder where Fury is now out of the ring even longer .

John Fury states he wants the AJ fight now but he didn’t have the same energy when Hearn was trying to get it going .

Misrepresenting things a bit are we? First off could you cite a source for your contention that Any Fury said Tyson needed a warm up before facing AJ this time? Thank you
John Fury was upset because Tyson needs to fight and Eddie hearn gave no indication that any contract had been reached. It was deemed not credible and most rational people agreed... We still really don't even know if this fight would have happened...People assume that because of the arbitration and because hearn says he had the fight in order that it was so... that is speculation.

John Fury has said over and over that he thought AJ was an easy fight for Tyson. he has also said over and over again that Wilder is a danger. There is no doubt that John told Tyson that he was not prepared for this fight... Because he said as much and his actions indicates as much.

Those are facts and not speculation and please provide that source for the AJ statement.Thank You!!!

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Misrepresenting things a bit are we? First off could you cite a source for your contention that Any Fury said Tyson needed a warm up before facing AJ this time? Thank you
John Fury was upset because Tyson needs to fight and Eddie hearn gave no indication that any contract had been reached. It was deemed not credible and most rational people agreed... We still really don't even know if this fight would have happened...People assume that because of the arbitration and because hearn says he had the fight in order that it was so... that is speculation.

John Fury has said over and over that he thought AJ was an easy fight for Tyson. he has also said over and over again that Wilder is a danger. There is no doubt that John told Tyson that he was not prepared for this fight... Because he said as much and his actions indicates as much.

Those are facts and not speculation and please provide that source for the AJ statement.Thank You!!!

Let’s make a bet then ?though you never live up to them ( for those that don’t know Silly Billy should be banned already based off one he was wrong about and not just one it’s quite a few )

If I have to go looking for sources you know I have them ,you coward there’s yet another challenge to you . It’s knowledge his own father said he should have a fight first before fighting Joshua because of ring rust suggestive that AJ was to good for an immediate fight when Hearn was negotiating it ,so Coward ?

Silly Billy I’m going to keep hammering you for any real info and I’m putting the breaks on you on here so get used to it , your like literally the leader of the crazy crew on here you suck as a poster you used to be semi normal what happened ? You even agreed with denium who more or less is insinuating John is the reason which lends to what I’m saying ,get off the drugs . Ha

You got also completely destroyed with other posters suggesting the sales tickets for AJ was questionable , you ousted yourself as a real poster on here with anything with intelligence which is why you are a part of the current crazy crew on the forum ,you’re literally the smartest one out of them . Congratulations you even ignored Tyson Fury himself said the fight was agreed and multiple ppl saying it was signed to with AJ but then you state no contract was reached by team Fury ? You are as usual all over the place bc you can’t stop lying . .

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I don’t think he has that much power to be honest. But it isn’t rocket science at the end of the day in terms of Tyson training for Joshua then within a few weeks he was happily signing and switching to fighting Wilder, that cannot be good for anyone at that level of boxing, he needed more time for everything to sink in and have a proper camp that is dedicated to strictly Wilder, not am fighting AJ in August to am now fighting Wilder in July.

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He is. He never wanted Tyson to take that rubber/trilogy bout with Deontay Wilder in the first because he knew his son wouldn't win this time. It was a fight that neither one of them wanted. It certainly wouldn't surprise the Hell out of me to see Tyson Fury not step a foot inside of a boxing ring against Deontay Wilder on October 9th either or ever again. Watch how that one get postponed as well.

John literally says in the interview that Tyson is fighting Wilder and will smash him, kinda sounds like you're just inventing stuff out of nothing.

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Peter Fury was training Tyson Fury, when he fought USS Cunningham.

That is the fight, I am talking about.

Note: I actually wrote a longer response, but I must of deleted it by accident. I cannot be bothered writing it again. I think the best UK trainers are Adam Booth & Don Charles, I have no idea why? Booth has not worked with any heavyweight since David Haye's retirement.

Whatever happened to Booth? He genuinely was an excellent trainer. I haven't heard of him training anyone since his short-lived run with Aydin a decade ago.