Comments Thread For: Vaccinated Heavyweight Michael Hunter: Vaccines 'A Very Sensitive Topic' Among Boxers

[PotentialToast]

you sure about that? about 40 -50% of all cases are among the vaccinated. https://www.businessinsider.com/uk-h...e-delta-2021-7

So, to review, the vaccine was sold as being able to stop the virus in its tracks. you won't need masks, they said. you can move around freely!
But now, not only can the vaccinated still catch covid and still test positive, they can actually transmit the virus. with all the vaccine side effects (which are being suppressed, btw).
So now, imagine a boxer who's taken the vaccine so he could go box, but now has to worry about a slight chance of an enlarged heart, a chance of impacting his competitiveness and athleticism. AND WORST OF ALL, he/she could still test positive and be removed from a fight the day of, EVEN THOUGH he/she has been vaccinated and was supposed to be unable to get sick or transmit the virus. so if the vaccine does nothing to improve a boxers chances of actually fighting and making a living, but rather introduces possible risks, why take it?

if you cannot understand the point here, you're probably part of the reason why vaccine hesitancy is a thing.

'40 -50% of all cases are among the vaccinated'. So what - if you have 95 percent of the population vaccinated with a vaccine that is 95% effective at preventing deaths (1% mortality rate for unvaccinated); for 100,000 infected people, 50 unvaccinated die and 903 vaccinated die. But the risks are 20 times higher for unvaccinated person 1% v 0.05% for vaccinated. It is also BS to suggest the vaccine was marketed as 100% effective. For adults, the risk of COVID > risk from vaccine. Also, more practically for boxers, fewer fights will be called off in a vaccinated population.

[that g]

'40 -50% of all cases are among the vaccinated'. So what - if you have 95 percent of the population vaccinated with a vaccine that is 95% effective at preventing deaths (1% mortality rate for unvaccinated); for 100,000 infected people, 50 unvaccinated die and 903 vaccinated die. But the risks are 20 times higher for unvaccinated person 1% v 0.05% for vaccinated. It is also BS to suggest the vaccine was marketed as 100% effective. For adults, the risk of COVID > risk from vaccine. Also, more practically for boxers, fewer fights will be called off in a vaccinated population.

for a boxer, they were told to take the vaccine in order to test negative to fight, to help "reduce the spread from large gatherings of people", not to prevent themselves from dying. i never said anything about 100% effective - that's not the same as "stopping the virus in its tracks", which was absolutely advertised.

for a boxer, or any high functioning athlete with no co-morbidities, COVID is just not a risk. the data shows that overwhelmingly.

for adults of "boxing" age, the risk from covid is actually less than the potential risk from vaccines. it becomes even less when you consider that boxers are in great physical condition.

it is not true that "fewer fights will be called off". sorry. latest data shows that vaccinated people transmit just as much as unvaccinated people.

all that being said, way to miss the entire point of my post. again, with the initial reason for pushing the vaccine for boxers being mooted, any sensible person would think twice about the vaccine.

[Monty Fisto]

Here’s the problem with your statement. Can you tell us what the POTENTIAL long term impacts of this vaccine is? Know why you won’t find that measure or information? Because it hasn’t been out there long enough to inform us. How many drugs have been pushed upon the public only to find out years later it’s maker is locked into a lawsuit of millions because of cancer or deaths? Know something else interesting? All advertised drugs on television by Federal law must disclose drug side effects. If this vaccine is of such importance why are the drug makers not running ads 24/7 on said vaccine? Because they’d have to disclose that information. Polio vaccine has published long term impacts because its been around and tested a long long time.

when this vaccine has been around for 5-10 years and long term impacts are published ill then insert it into my body

Two things. First, a comparison of polio as a killer vs covid as a killer. Polio is a low mortality disease. An epidemic in 1916 terrified the US by killing 6000 people. That's 6000 in one year. Compared to January of this year when over 4000 people were dying per day in the US from Covid.

Second, a comparison of the adminstering of the polio vaccine vs the covid vaccine. Jonas Salk devloped his polio vaccine in 1952 and tested it on a small group of people in 1953. By 1954 they were giving it to millions of school children. The covid vaccine isn't being given to any children under 12 right now. To me, this comparison does not show that the covid vaccine is being dished out in an irresponsibly rash manner when put alongside the history of the polio vaccine.

It is absolutely true that no one knows for sure the long-term effects of the covid vaccine. We do know for sure, there are no side effects after 12 months (I'm editing this to add: for the vast majority of people). I would say we have no cause to reasonably expect side effects, given the science involved and the long history of vaccinology in general. Which is to say, the vaccine follows a well understood basic principle -- it introduces an inert version of the virus (in the case of the viral vector vaccines) to your body (or shortcuts this with messenger RNA in the case of Pfizer/Moderna vaccines) which stimulates your own natural immune system to protect against the live virus. That's it.

In terms of long-term risks, it is down to the individual to make their own informed risk assessment. Personally, I think it is a more cavalier risk to take being unvaccinated.

[MoneyKing]

Truth about vaccines by ex mercenary Alexander Jones via a 2019 documentary Cold Case Hammersjold (spelt it wrong) on NetFlix
British Gov was involved in this conspiracy to wiipe out black people via vaccines tainted with the AIDS VIRUS.
https://worldstarhiphop.com/videos/v...89yCpG8oUQSiK1

[alexjust]

See #14 and enlighten us on the drug’s potential long term impacts. If you are unable to then it is you yourself who is an “imbecile.”

I don't know what long-term side effects of the vaccine that has been distributed for 6 months actually are. But because this vaccine is based on the methodology of vaccine development that has been in the successful making for decades, I'll be leaning into a miniscule risk of actually taking the vaccine. Because taking vaccine means increasing significantly my chances of not being devastatingly affected by covid and reducing the chances of transmitting it to someone who might die because of it. The long-term effects of covid are well-documented and you are running a high risk of severely damaging your mental and physical health even if you don't die from it. Why wouldn't that be a compelling argument to you? Why wouldn't 600k of dead people in the USA be a compelling argument? On what factual basis are you basing your fear of this vaccine? Just because you don't know long-term side effects? Does it mean that you don't fly a new model of a plane that has just entered service? Or you wouldn't drive an electric car? I guess you haven't used a mobile phone for the first few years after they've become widely affordable either, huh? Tell me in what other areas you are such a sceptic and seeker of 100% verified and guaranteed science (if there is such thing). Sure, you can't be religious, right?

Why am I arguing with a flat earther?..

[alexjust]

Truth about vaccines by ex mercenary Alexander Jones via a 2019 documentary Cold Case Hammersjold (spelt it wrong) on NetFlix
British Gov was involved in this conspiracy to wiipe out black people via vaccines tainted with the AIDS VIRUS.
https://worldstarhiphop.com/videos/v...89yCpG8oUQSiK1

Where is that "block" button...

[alexjust]

Two things. First, a comparison of polio as a killer vs covid as a killer. Polio is a low mortality disease. An epidemic in 1916 terrified the US by killing 6000 people. That's 6000 in one year. Compared to January of this year when over 4000 people were dying per day in the US from Covid.

Second, a comparison of the adminstering of the polio vaccine vs the covid vaccine. Jonas Salk devloped his polio vaccine in 1952 and tested it on a small group of people in 1953. By 1954 they were giving it to millions of school children. The covid vaccine isn't being given to any children under 12 right now. To me, this comparison does not show that the covid vaccine is being dished out in an irresponsibly rash manner when put alongside the history of the polio vaccine.

It is absolutely true that no one knows for sure the long-term effects of the covid vaccine. We do know for sure, there are no side effects after 12 months (I'm editing this to add: for the vast majority of people). I would say we have no cause to reasonably expect side effects, given the science involved and the long history of vaccinology in general. Which is to say, the vaccine follows a well understood basic principle -- it introduces an inert version of the virus (in the case of the viral vector vaccines) to your body (or shortcuts this with messenger RNA in the case of Pfizer/Moderna vaccines) which stimulates your own natural immune system to protect against the live virus. That's it.

In terms of long-term risks, it is down to the individual to make their own informed risk assessment. Personally, I think it is a more cavalier risk to take being unvaccinated.

Trying to convince someone like this in safety of the vaccine is akin to tickling someone with a feather while they are locked in a tank and you are outside.

[FLY TY]

Notice how the pro-vax whack jobs keep moving the goalposts? Before, it was "the vax will prevent you from getting covid." Now it's "Well, you can still get covid if you've been vaccinated, but at least you won't die." It's impossible to make this goofiness up.

Nobody said the vaccine prevents you from getting covid, and anyone who believes it does is an idiot. They clearly state the vaccines are about 94% effective, meaning there's a 6% chance you can still catch it. That said the vaccine is supposed to better prepare you to fight off the virus, even in the small chance you contract it.

But I also believe in free choice. Those who feel the virus is a hoax, and those who are worried about long-telong-term effects, shouldn't be forced to get it.

[ShoulderRoll]

You can still catch the virus with the vaccine and you can still transmit it.

So the only good it does is lessen the symptoms. Allegedly.

Oh, and you might need boosters for every new variant.

[snowdog]

Enjoy your micro blood clots. I need to stay in the control group. You cant compare this to any polio vaccine by the way. This is a new completely different technology. A very bad one seems obvious.. And no I dont support Trump.. But I dont trust anyone who is censoring folks about the dangers, .

It isn't new technology, it's around 10 years old if I'm remembering correctly.

Any boxer not getting double-jabbed is an idiot, Long COVID has the potential to completely ruin boxing careers.