Porters on the verge of ATGreatness. Why is he still called a gatekeeper,bum,etc.?

[Left Hook Tua]

Because you jumped into the discussion while failing to understand the points made.

Meanwhile, you didn't bother to go back to where this started to understand those points - which is a blithering idiot named HOF Hater who discredited Porter as having "only" won a championship once. I corrected him and gave other examples of two-time champions, both locks for Hall of Fame if not already there.

Meaning, if we're going by # of championships, Porter is already a lock because he has the same number.

The problem is, you and I both know that there's more to it than that.

Which means using that to say Porter won't be considered an ATG is ******, because other ATGs have failed when they had big fights. Like Duran.

Why? Because some of the best in the business took losses. That didn't define them. What defined them was what they left in the ring.

Now, all I'm saying is, we sat here for five years dealing with people calling Terence Crawford #1 P4P, saying he beats prime Floyd, he beats Canelo, nobody beats him, etc.

Ok.

IF THAT'S TRUE, then how can Porter beating such an unstoppable force in the game not elevate him to ATG?

That's the problem with calling these untested 'eye test' fighters such lofty credentials, because if/when they get schooled, here come the excuses.

Crawfish is not untested

He beat a great featherweight in Gamboa many years ago way above Gamboa weight class

Gamboa even tested that chin and rocked crawfish world

[Nash out]

First of all I wanna thank God, but Shawn Porter is a tough competitor, a true warrior, and a helluva fighter. He'd be better than Crawford's current top wins by a long way. Much better than Glass Jaw Khan, and no eyes, Brook. Nash out.

[SweetPbfAli]

While I do not think he is ATG I think 2 of those looses were bad decisions.

Which and why? None of his losses are controversial imo. Close fights, yes but no robbery or anything. Even the Danny win was really close. He's a tough out for anyone and definitely the upper echelon of the division but I think it's more of an indictment on the division than anything else.

[SweetPbfAli]

Don't do that.

You and many others ran around here echoing ESPN and TBRB, calling this guy #1 P4P for years.

Ok, so if he's a P4P, then beating a P4P damn sure makes you something, don't it?

You came in here talking about Duran and making a comparison to Porter and his resume then moved onto Crawford after that didn't really check out.

This is about Porter being ATG. Crawford is p4p 1-3 and it's consensus. Sorry you don't like that but it's the reality. He's rated as such because he's been a champion for God knows how long through 3 divisions and has not lost while looking the part. Porter has none of those things but he's good enough to lose close fights to the better fighters of the division.

[JakeTheBoxer]

I like Porter, but he is nowhere near Duran, lol.

Porter is something like Berto, two time welterweight champion.

To be honest, Porter is better than Berto,

Berto`s best wins: Quintana, Ortiz, Zaveck, Alexander.

Porter: Danny, Berto, Broner, Alexander.

[Combat Talk Radio]

He'll have to do more than beat Crawford.

He beats Crawford, he gets the WBO belt.

Fights the winner of Pac/Spence AND beat them?

He'll be on the doorstep. All he has to do is unify with Ugas and seal the deal. Undisputed, Unified Welterweight champion with a solid resume on top of that.

And I agree with this.

All I'm saying, is we need to get people STOP calling Crawford #1 P4P - STOP saying he beats Prime Floyd - STOP saying he beats Canelo - STOP saying nobody beats him etc.

Because when people say that crap, it means whoever then beats Crawford MUST be an ATG.

The solution is stop overhyping Crawford. I don't know why people here aren't getting how simple that is.

[Combat Talk Radio]

Crawfish is not untested

He beat a great featherweight in Gamboa many years ago way above Gamboa weight class

Gamboa even tested that chin and rocked crawfish world

You named ONE fighter where the fight was not at comfortable weight. That's untested.

[Combat Talk Radio]

Crawford is p4p 1-3 and it's consensus.

It's on record, ya'll.

SweetPbfAli says that Porter beating Crawford will make him an ATG because only an ATG could beat a P4P fighter.

So, if and when Porter gives Crawford that business, I want you all to pay homage to your new ATG. The only guy who could beat this P4P fighter.

Which would then put him on the same pedestal as Duran.

Unfortunately, this dude is ignoring the key point - which he just repeated for me (thank you) - overhyping Crawford, which then overhypes whoever beats him. That's the problem!

[HOF Hater]

Because you jumped into the discussion while failing to understand the points made.

Meanwhile, you didn't bother to go back to where this started to understand those points - which is a blithering idiot named HOF Hater who discredited Porter as having "only" won a championship once. I corrected him and gave other examples of two-time champions, both locks for Hall of Fame if not already there.

Meaning, if we're going by # of championships, Porter is already a lock because he has the same number.

The problem is, you and I both know that there's more to it than that.

Which means using that to say Porter won't be considered an ATG is ******, because other ATGs have failed when they had big fights. Like Duran.

Why? Because some of the best in the business took losses. That didn't define them. What defined them was what they left in the ring.

Now, all I'm saying is, we sat here for five years dealing with people calling Terence Crawford #1 P4P, saying he beats prime Floyd, he beats Canelo, nobody beats him, etc.

Ok.

IF THAT'S TRUE, then how can Porter beating such an unstoppable force in the game not elevate him to ATG?

That's the problem with calling these untested 'eye test' fighters such lofty credentials, because if/when they get schooled, here come the excuses.

Comparing Shawn Porter to Winky Wright is a JOKE. Although Wright was only a "2-time" champion at 154 he was a great champ at the weight because he had countless defenses. He beat the likes of Quartey, Trinidad, and Mosley and Shane was in his absolute prime for both fights (although 154 was not his weight class, clearly).

Porter may be a 2-time WW champion but so is Antonio Margarito Andre Berto, Luis Collazo, and Victor Ortiz. Does that mean Margarito, Collazo, Berto, and Victor Ortiz are ATG because they were 2-time WW champs? GTFOH scrub

Porter beat Danny Garcia in a close fight, got a gift win against Ugas, beat...Granados...Berto...Broner...who?? Who are we even talking about? Granados and Broner were effective at 135/140 NOT 147. Berto was OLD AF when the Porter fight happened and way past prime.

Porter lost every meaningful fight again Brook, Thurman, and Spence. The dude is far from ATG and has no realistic path to that accomplishment.

On Winky:

Personally I don't rate Winky highly. Mosley was NEVER effective at 154 and both those fights were very close. Winky beat an OLD AF Trinidad and an OLD AF Quartey. When Winky stopped fighting old fighters...literally Quartey's last fight and Trinidad's 2nd last fight...he lost to Williams and Quillin as well as an OLD AF BHop. Great champ but not ATG for me

[SweetPbfAli]

It's on record, ya'll.

SweetPbfAli says that Porter beating Crawford will make him an ATG because only an ATG could beat a P4P fighter.

So, if and when Porter gives Crawford that business, I want you all to pay homage to your new ATG. The only guy who could beat this P4P fighter.

Which would then put him on the same pedestal as Duran.

Unfortunately, this dude is ignoring the key point - which he just repeated for me (thank you) - overhyping Crawford, which then overhypes whoever beats him. That's the problem!

Lmao. I don't know how your mind works to arrive at the conclusions that it does but it's fascinating.

I honestly don't have the time and energy to keep this going. We're diametrically opposed and that is fine.

But I'm not going to let you put words in my mouth. Again, neither Bud nor Porter are ATG at the moment. Crawford has the more realistic path to being an ATG because of his accomplishments this far. He would need to beat Porter, Spence, and maybe both Boots and Ortiz to have a shot at it. Hell, may even need to get a title at 154 but he has a lot of work to do.

Porter would have to do more because it would be ideal for him to avenge his losses if possible which likely will not happen so he would need to beat some other guys, maybe at 154? Not sure what you guys idea if ATG is but the bar is low AF.