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    #11
    Originally posted by MikeyG
    Thanks for doing something for this forum rather than endless arguing. Just an idea, maybe it would be clearer to divide original post into sections and in the first post have table of contents with links to specific posts with specific categories (I think I saw it somewhere around here). That could be more convenient for editing more information into it.
    I like that, I'm busy working atm and only have pretty short spurts I can log in and do things in, but, I'll get it done soon. Because Kev ain't wrong, you ain't wrong, and I do my fair share or cro-magnon shouting on here myself. We all know people I've upset in other threads in the past will come just as they already have to disrespect the nature of this thread and make it as tedious as possible.

    I'll clean it up, great idea bud.

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      #12
      Basic Styles

      Boxer - Hit and don't be hit back
      Puncher- Hit me I hit you back harder

      Orthodox - Right handed
      Southpaw - Left handed
      Converted - Natural right hander fighting as a left or vice versa.
      Last edited by Marchegiano; 07-24-2021, 08:30 AM.

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        #13
        Major Sanctioning Bodies:
        WBC - Green
        WBA - Black
        IBF - Red
        WBO - Darker Red / Maroon

        Major bodies and major titles are considered major because of cross recognition. The WBC, WBA, IBF and WBO all recognize one another as major bodies and so they are. The belts get trickier, being a major body does not give you the ability to create a recognized belt. The majors have to recognize the belts too. When you go to their rankings they list recognized titles outside of their org.

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          #14
          Major Titles:

          WBC (nothing else, not the Silver, not Franchise, nadda. if it has a modifier to it and it's a WBC title it's not a major title)
          WBA Super ( Regular, Gold, Emeritus, etc all are unrecognized)
          IBF ( same as WBC, no one lists an IBF Interim as a champion because they do not hold a recognized title)
          WBO ( Again, a WBO Interim is not a recognized champion)

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            #15
            Regionals:

            Regionals are a bit more complicated. Each major body has a regional body, or a few, handle sub-world rankings and championships. NABF is the IBF's North American body. EBU is WBC's European body. What a regional title gets a boxer is automatic or forced ranking within the world ranks of the corresponding body. So if you're the EBU champion you are top 15 in the WBC world ratings as well.

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              #16
              Commissions:

              Difference between a body and a commission is the body sets the optional rules for their fights, like 3 knockdowns equals a technical knockout. The commission is the government/law end of things. If both the body and the commission agree everything's good to go you've got yourself a fight. Athletic commissions rule over more than boxing, sanctioning bodies do not.

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                #17
                Outcomes:

                What exactly is a technical knockout anyway? TKOs are when the fighter has taken enough damage for the ref to want to stop the fight and stop him from taking more damage even though he is not actually knocked out.

                Knockout = Does not beat a 10 count. 10 count, not a 10 second timer, ref's digression matters

                Unanimous Decision = All judges agreed who won

                Draw = No winner, no titles exchange hands.

                Disqualification = cheating fighter loses

                Split Decision = 2 judges say X won and one went with Y

                Majority Decision = 2 judges say X won but the last judge has it a draw.

                Majority Draw = 1 judge says X won but 2 say it was a draw

                Technical Decision = It means the losing fighter quit or his corner quit for him. On Boxrec you will see it as RTD. Retired Technical Decision.

                No Contest = When a bout is stopped because of injury not caused by the boxing or some such similar surprise accident, maybe the building fell in, whatever, if there are enough rounds logged in and the pre-agreed rules allow for it the fight may go to the judges anyway, but, if there are not enough rounds finished the fight is declared a no contest, it's meant to be like the fight never happened.

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                  #18
                  Scoring:

                  Criteria-
                  Effective Punching - Is what it sounds like, you need to land your punches, and, better spots makes for better scoring.
                  Effective Aggression - Same, you need to be backing the other man into position or some such not just running your face into his fist
                  Generalship - Really just being aware of juxtaposition both between fighters and where they are in the ring.
                  Volume - Super self explanatory, it is the amount of punches landed.

                  Points-
                  All fighters start every round with 10 points

                  10 points goes to the winner of every round. The loser of the round gets points based on how bad they lost. If it was reasonably close it's 10 for the winner and 9 for the loser. If there was a knockdown or the round was very one-sided it's 10 for the winner and 8 for the loser. It is possible to get something like a 10-6 round but I have never seen that myself. Pretty much 10-8 is the lowest folks actually score.

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                    #19
                    Outlets:

                    Ring - The big dog of the magazine and website promotional media market.

                    TBRB - Trans National Boxing Ranking Board. When folks get wise to what Ring is they tend to go to TBRB.

                    CBZ - Cyber Boxing Zone. They were like the first fans to attempt a historical website. It's decent but don't take their history as biblical. It's well out of date because they are well old and don't update often. Once it was good research and it's not meaningless today, but, there's plenty that's just wrong on that site.

                    ESPN - A channel Bob Arum helped set up that still favors Bob Arum fighters.

                    DAZN - A cheap stream service aided by Eddie Hearn.

                    PBC - A show that is backed by Al Haymon

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                      #20
                      Ratings:

                      All four major bodies have official ratings and those ratings are the only ones that actually matter.

                      Ring/TBRB/ESPN, etc ratings are for promotion.

                      A body rating can force a mandatory fight, a promo rating can not.

                      Mandatories are what forces champions to defend against top ranked opponents.

                      Eliminators are how mandatories are established.

                      Regional belts force ranking in world ranks.

                      Voluntary defenses are when a champion makes extra fights around scheduled mandos. The body in control of the champion's title still has to agree and the contender still has to be world ranked but the champion does not have to make the fight.

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