Worse score cards in recent memory?

[R-Hand Southpaw]

Manny vs Floyd scorecards were all wrong. Floyd was out landed both in terms of quantity and quality. Should have been a win for Manny - draw at the very worst if you give Floyd every close round.

Spoons thread details this very well. Round 3,4,6,7,10,12 - those are 6 rounds that I cannot possibly see how anyone scored for Floyd. The other 6 rounds were mostly debatable. Floyd only won 1 or 2 rounds clearly.

Other bad decisions were Kovalev vs ward and ggg vs canelo.

I totally agree with this too.

I felt the fight was much closer to a draw than a wide decision like it ended up being and Floyd knew this too.

Floyd loves money and not taking risks and had everything rigged in his favor for this fight including using that illegal IV.

I literally didn't give him the last couple rounds because dude was refusing to engage and only looking to make it to the final bell because he knew if he did he would win easily.

When people buy into the hype and don't actually watch the fights for what it is you get **** like this. Thats why the narratives matter very little to me because you can always see someone fight effectively differently. It shouldn't be scored against them. You got to do what you need to to win a fight.

[The Big Dunn]

Im reading right now what a majority of people are saying online and the scores exist between 8-4 and a draw so I don't understand how usually can claim a majority of people scores the fight for Lopez. You literally have no metric for that. This is not quite like Canelo/GGG where score cards were posted galore and have GGG winning 90% and 70% respectively and being unable to win.

Also, I'm not arguing the result but the blateny corruption which is funny because Ward, Teofimo, Lomachenko are all paid by ESPN so where is your conflict of interest?

Was the location and judges not also paid by ESPN?

So you literally have no argument. I could argue that Bob wanted the torched passed to a younger more marketable prospect which is why the cards were so rigged in his favor and what would you say?

Nothing.

Because that makes a hell lot more sense than what you're saying.

117-111 and 119-109 are bigger outliers than a scorecard that said DRAW.

Feel free the do some mental gymnastics telling me that Lomachenko is the networks preferred guy at 32 years old and not some 23 year old kid. Come on. At PBC you guys do this thing all the time.

Teofimo is Latino, American, has a big mouth and is much younger than Lomachenko. He is the preferred guy. When Taylor moves up who do you think TR will feature at 140? You talk smart all the time but why you got to act so dumb?

The night of the fight in the rbr scoring thread the majority of people had Lopez winning. The majority of media had lopez winning. I have not been reading every comment in this thread but I can’t see how anyone reasonably had this fight a draw given how the fight went.

The conflict of interest is that Loma was the fighter espn highlighted more as he was an huge favorite in the fight.

That would make no sense because of the way the fight played out. Loma didn’t punch rounds 1-7.! He lost all of those rounds. He stepped on the gas round 8, winning rounds 8-11. He clearly lost round 12. So to suggest Bob had bad judges defies logic.

As I posted, 119-109 was too wide so I’m not sure why you bring it up. That score is just as much an outlier as a draw.

117-111 means the judge gave Loma only 1 round from 8-11. I disagree personally with that but that is only 1 round off of 8-4 which is reasonable.

You’re saying Teo is the preferred guy does not reflect the actual promotion of the fight. Now you’re speculating about something that isn’t related to the discussion bringing up Taylor.

As I said the cards you listed were bad because they had, IMO, the wrong guy winning the fight. The Loma card was too wide but wasn’t as bad as the others because Loma lost that fight clearly.

[The Big Dunn]

Open scoring is fine if the other guy wants to actually win. No Heart Trout KNEW he needed a ko but was dropped and bambi-legged a few more times so pulled a Callum Smith just wanting the fight to end and then he can blame someone else.

Name one elite boxer who if they KNEW the scorecard and was down they just continue to run on 4th and Long??? 7 cant! And Victor Ortiz isn't elite. Him and Trout have have same size heart...

I personally am not a fan of open scoring. In that fight maybe Canelo was winning, but that one scorecard indicated Trout needed a ko to win and as I scores the fight I had it closer ( might of had trout up can’t remember).

I just thought that changed the whole strategy trout had and forced him to fight in a way that canelo took advantage of and won the rest of the rounds and the fight.

[R-Hand Southpaw]

The night of the fight in the rbr scoring thread the majority of people had Lopez winning. The majority of media had lopez winning. I have not been reading every comment in this thread but I can’t see how anyone reasonably had this fight a draw given how the fight went.

The conflict of interest is that Loma was the fighter espn highlighted more as he was an huge favorite in the fight.

That would make no sense because of the way the fight played out. Loma didn’t punch rounds 1-7.! He lost all of those rounds. He stepped on the gas round 8, winning rounds 8-11. He clearly lost round 12. So to suggest Bob had bad judges defies logic.

As I posted, 119-109 was too wide so I’m not sure why you bring it up. That score is just as much an outlier as a draw.

117-111 means the judge gave Loma only 1 round from 8-11. I disagree personally with that but that is only 1 round off of 8-4 which is reasonable.

You’re saying Teo is the preferred guy does not reflect the actual promotion of the fight. Now you’re speculating about something that isn’t related to the discussion bringing up Taylor.

As I said the cards you listed were bad because they had, IMO, the wrong guy winning the fight. The Loma card was too wide but wasn’t as bad as the others because Loma lost that fight clearly.

I scored 6-6 with an acceptable score 7-5 Lopez. I didn't have Lomachenko winning.

1 point off is reasonable but giving it to Teo in rounds he clearly didn't win isn't. And to say Lopez "won" rounds is a far cry from the truth. Yes, he did win, but the majority of rounds he won he didn't do anything significant. How many significant shots can you remember? None.

How many rounds can you remember? None.

It was literally a worse fight when Lopez was winning than it was watching Canelo vs Danny Jacobs.

You talk about the "promotion " but unlike you and so many dudes here I could care less for the promotion. I literally didn't watch any of it because i don't care for the drama like you guys do.

It's Top Ranks job to promote and compared to Lopez, Lomachenko has more to promote. Dude is a 3 weight world champion. "Fastest" to 3 world titles. One of the best Amateurs in the world. Compare that to Teofimo Lopez.

What does Lopez have? Exactly. Oh he's young. He just won a world title. He wasn't a good amateur. Dude had exactly one world title fight before that.

If you're promoting this fight who do you think is getting more promotion? It's literally common sense. If you listened to the commentary during the fight, IF you watched it, you'd know there was a whole different story going on.

Commentary does not bash the presumed "guy" if they want him to win. Look at how PBC does it. It's not different.

[The Big Dunn]

I scored 6-6 with an acceptable score 7-5 Lopez. I didn't have Lomachenko winning.

1 point off is reasonable but giving it to Teo in rounds he clearly didn't win isn't. And to say Lopez "won" rounds is a far cry from the truth. Yes, he did win, but the majority of rounds he won he didn't do anything significant. How many significant shots can you remember? None.

How many rounds can you remember? None.

It was literally a worse fight when Lopez was winning than it was watching Canelo vs Danny Jacobs.

You talk about the "promotion " but unlike you and so many dudes here I could care less for the promotion. I literally didn't watch any of it because i don't care for the drama like you guys do.

It's Top Ranks job to promote and compared to Lopez, Lomachenko has more to promote. Dude is a 3 weight world champion. "Fastest" to 3 world titles. One of the best Amateurs in the world. Compare that to Teofimo Lopez.

What does Lopez have? Exactly. Oh he's young. He just won a world title. He wasn't a good amateur. Dude had exactly one world title fight before that.

If you're promoting this fight who do you think is getting more promotion? It's literally common sense. If you listened to the commentary during the fight, IF you watched it, you'd know there was a whole different story going on.

Commentary does not bash the presumed "guy" if they want him to win. Look at how PBC does it. It's not different.

We agree. Lopez didn’t win the rounds based on significant strikes as much as Loma lost them because of lack of activity. He still lost them clearly IMO.

IMO, Lopez landed early and did some things Loma didn’t expect. It took Loma a long time to adjust and while he was, Teo was jabbing and scoring. I didn’t think Teo could win by out boxing Loma ( few did) but he did outbox him rounds 1-7.

I don’t understand your point. I don’t care about it either. I was simply making a point about Ward’s card because it was an outlier. I think Farhood’s draw in the charlo/ Castano fight this past weekend illustrates the same conflict of interest.

espn was giving Loma the bulk of the promotion as he was a very huge favorite going into the fight. I believe he was a 6-1 favorite but I could be wrong . Teo wasn’t expected to win. Clearly he wasnt the guy leading the promotion.

I don’t think Teo is that great either. Never posted he was. But he did win the fight clearly.

[spytactics]

Worst card ever was Pacquiao Bradley 1.

[Shadoww702]

117-111 for Horn over Pac.

Horn got beat the *** up. Was a bloody mess!

[Nash out]

Manny vs Floyd scorecards were all wrong. Floyd was out landed both in terms of quantity and quality. Should have been a win for Manny - draw at the very worst if you give Floyd every close round.

Spoons thread details this very well. Round 3,4,6,7,10,12 - those are 6 rounds that I cannot possibly see how anyone scored for Floyd. The other 6 rounds were mostly debatable. Floyd only won 1 or 2 rounds clearly.

Other bad decisions were Kovalev vs ward and ggg vs canelo.

Huh! I like many had it 118-110 Mayweather. Two judges had it insanely close, 116-112, LMAO. Pac won 4 and 6, and had no case for any other round. He was outclassed.

[garfios]

Yeah that card was bad as was the open scoring in the Canelo/Trout fight that had Trout down so much.

Respect your opinion but disagree strongly. While you and other solid posters scored it a draw, I felt after the 10th Charlo needed a ko to win.

Now I didn’t consider a 10-8 round but I didn’t think charlo earned a 10-8 round myself.

Castano fought a great fight, I said for me, a draw was fair. Now, if I have to pick a winner, Castano is the one that I am inclined to give him the W.

[The Big Dunn]

Castano fought a great fight, I said for me, a draw was fair. Now, if I have to pick a winner, Castano is the one that I am inclined to give him the W.

I’m cool with that I just thought Castano clearly won. A number of other solid posters have also called it a draw so I’m willing to admit I might be wrong.

But When the scores were announced, I was mad with the draw but I was posted about Nelson Vazquez card so maybe I’m letting that anger drive me.