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  • KTFOKING
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    #11
    Originally posted by R-Hand Southpaw

    Personally scored GGG/Derevyanchenko 114-114 on initial watch but 115-113 on rewatch. The fight was VERY close because of the style Derevyanchenko employed but many, and I'm not sugar coating it, many shots didn't land clean or where blocked by GGG. And yes, Derevyanchenko did hurt GGG with that body shot but GGG recovered well.

    This was a fight that made me think, why don't more guys try to throw volume at GGG because one of GGGs biggest weakness is he doesn't counter when an opponent throws combinations or volume instead choosing to wait for they stop throwing to throw back.
    I mean there aren't many high level volume punchers at MW. Brook and Jacobs actually first showed that when you put your punches together against GGG, he's not going to punch until they stop. Jacobs added the body work that Brook did not. Derevyanchenko was just in GGG's grill the entire fight and out fighting him in spots. The body work is beautiful. IF GGG won, it was maybe by a point at best, giving him 7 rounds is just wrong. Derevyanchenko had a far better case for winning 7 rounds than GGG.

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    • Nash out
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      #12
      Originally posted by R-Hand Southpaw
      Man, it seems nowadays it's become a lot more frequent to do guys dirty just for the business side of things. What are the worse scorecards you've seen in recent memory?

      Off the top of my head.

      GGG/Canelo 1 (118-110) Canelo
      Wilder/Fury 1 (115-111) Wilder
      Loma/Lopez (119-109) Lopez
      Charlo/Castano (117-111) Charlo

      I scored

      GGG/Canelo 1 (116-112) GGG
      Wilder/Fury (116-110) Fury
      Loma/Lopez (114-114) Draw
      Charlo/Castano (115-113) Castano

      It almost seems like every year boxing has a high profile fight where someone is robbed blindly.




      My scores from those fights.

      Golovkin vs Canelo - Golovkin 116-112
      Wilder vs Fury 1 - Fury 116-110
      Loma vs Lopez - Lopez 116-112
      Charlo vs Castano - Castano 115-113

      Further terrible scores

      Bradley vs Pac 1 - PAC 117-111
      Marquez vs Pac 3 - Marquez 117-111
      Ritson vs Vasquez - Vasquez 119-109
      Smith vs Ryder - 114-114
      Persoon vs Taylor 1 and 2. Persoon won both
      Taylor vs Jonas - Taylor won by a mile, so I was puzzled by the very close scores - 98-92 Taylor

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      • R-Hand Southpaw
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        #13
        Originally posted by KTFOKING

        I mean there aren't many high level volume punchers at MW. Brook and Jacobs actually first showed that when you put your punches together against GGG, he's not going to punch until they stop. Jacobs added the body work that Brook did not. Derevyanchenko was just in GGG's grill the entire fight and out fighting him in spots. The body work is beautiful. IF GGG won, it was maybe by a point at best, giving him 7 rounds is just wrong. Derevyanchenko had a far better case for winning 7 rounds than GGG.
        My bad, 114-113.

        Totally forgot about the KD. One point it's totally justified. fight was competitive but the KD made the difference. A lot of Derevyanchenkos shots were pit pat shots in close range. You saw plenty of times where Derevyanchenko did his best Loma impression stepping outside of GGGs high guard touching him with shots.

        6-7 rounds for GGG seems okay. There were some close rounds that could have been scored either way.

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          #14
          Originally posted by R-Hand Southpaw

          The widest Lopez could have possibly won against Lomachenko is (8-4) and that's if you're giving him every swing round available. That's still 116-112. Literally all the cards are wide.

          The score cards were
          119-109
          117-111
          116-112

          I'm also very confused because you say he won CLEAN. He didn't. I scored the fight exactly how Andre Ward did which resulted in a 6-6 fight.

          If you only watched half the fight maybe you'd feel that Lopez won clean as he literally won 1,3,4,5,6 in the first half of the fight but lost ,7,8,9,10,11 in the back half.

          Loma 2,7,8,9,10,11
          Lopez 1,3,4,5,6,12

          If you wanted to give Lopez the 7th it's still 115-113 in a close decision. If you're fighting for the win in the 12th the fight you didn't win clean.
          I think we need to be honest that Ward is employed by TR and there is clearly a conflict of interest there. His card and yours are extreme outliers.

          I look at Ward’s card the way I did the draws given to Wilder ( fury)and Charlo ( castano)- draws where the network preferred guy actually lost and was given a draw.

          The overwhelming majority of media, fans , judges and anyone else that watched the fight scored it for lopez.

          Given that Loma didn’t start punching until round 8 and clearly lost round 12, I think 8-4 is reasonable. I don’t see how you can give Loma rounds 2 and 7.

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            #15
            Originally posted by Richie_R

            The Canelo Floyd card was correct…the ****** boy Floyd did nothing in that fight to truly separate himself from a green and drained canelo.
            This post indicates you are not fit to have a real discussion about the sport. It’s fine if you don’t like Floyd but this just makes you come off as a completely biased tool.

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            • kushking
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              #16
              Originally posted by R-Hand Southpaw
              Man, it seems nowadays it's become a lot more frequent to do guys dirty just for the business side of things. What are the worse scorecards you've seen in recent memory?

              Off the top of my head.

              GGG/Canelo 1 (118-110) Canelo
              Wilder/Fury 1 (115-111) Wilder
              Loma/Lopez (119-109) Lopez
              Charlo/Castano (117-111) Charlo

              I scored

              GGG/Canelo 1 (116-112) GGG
              Wilder/Fury (116-110) Fury
              Loma/Lopez (114-114) Draw
              Charlo/Castano (115-113) Castano

              It almost seems like every year boxing has a high profile fight where someone is robbed blindly.




              Your cards are just as awful. fury didn't beat Wilder by 6 pts,(2 kds means Wilder only won 2 rds on your card) GTFO,Ggg didn't beat Canelo by 4 Pts GTFO,Loma/Lopez wasn't a Draw GTFO, ironically you scored for Castano by 2 pts despite ggg/Canelo being a way more even fight,yet you got ggg by 4,no wonder you are a Ufc fan,that trash sport makes you crazy

              Its always funny when ppl cry robbery but have awful cards
              Last edited by kushking; 07-19-2021, 05:41 PM.

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              • garfios
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                #17
                Originally posted by The Big Dunn
                Floyd/canelo 114-114 was as bad a scorecard as ever recorded.

                The Lopez/Loma card wasn’t bad as Lopez won that fight clear but maybe not that wide.

                The other cards were clearly corrupt and the judges that submitted those cards should never be allowed to judge fights again.
                Lara vs canelo 117-111 for ginger was bad too. But I think a draw charlo-castaņo was fair.

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                • The Big Dunn
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                  #18
                  Originally posted by garfios

                  Lara vs canelo 117-111 for ginger was bad too. But I think a draw charlo-castaņo was fair.
                  Yeah that card was bad as was the open scoring in the Canelo/Trout fight that had Trout down so much.

                  Respect your opinion but disagree strongly. While you and other solid posters scored it a draw, I felt after the 10th Charlo needed a ko to win.

                  Now I didn’t consider a 10-8 round but I didn’t think charlo earned a 10-8 round myself.

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                  • Shadoww702
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                    #19
                    Originally posted by R-Hand Southpaw
                    Man, it seems nowadays it's become a lot more frequent to do guys dirty just for the business side of things. What are the worse scorecards you've seen in recent memory?

                    Off the top of my head.

                    GGG/Canelo 1 (118-110) Canelo
                    Wilder/Fury 1 (115-111) Wilder
                    Loma/Lopez (119-109) Lopez
                    Charlo/Castano (117-111) Charlo

                    I scored

                    GGG/Canelo 1 (116-112) GGG
                    Wilder/Fury (116-110) Fury
                    Loma/Lopez (114-114) Draw
                    Charlo/Castano (115-113) Castano

                    It almost seems like every year boxing has a high profile fight where someone is robbed blindly.




                    U gave Canelo only 4 rounds?? That was awful nice of u! What 4 rounds u GIFT Canelo??? I personally gave ggg 13 rounds and Canelo -2 rounds...

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                    • Richie_R
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                      #20
                      Originally posted by The Big Dunn

                      This post indicates you are not fit to have a real discussion about the sport. It’s fine if you don’t like Floyd but this just makes you come off as a completely biased tool.
                      I’d go as far as saying that Canelo beat the cowardly ****** boy, who did not deserve that win.

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