Pacquiao-Cotto: Manny's Weight Shows Size Difference

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  • ricky1978
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    #71
    Originally posted by HattonFaithful
    i agree with the guy above me man pac doesnt make anyone drain themselves he's not at their camps...if they drain themselves its because they overtrained and have a bad trainer...if they didnt want to get drained then they shouldnt have taken the fight at the contracted weight but i do agree that he has a lot of advantages in this fight which is why i think hes gonna win or at least should winbut cotto is no joke and both fighters need to show up with theyre A game

    I agree, it was their decision to fight the lightweight guy, and to do it they had to drain themselves.....

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    • prsi
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      #72
      Originally posted by Pullcounter
      If 10 lbs is nothing then why are there weight divisions?
      I agree 10 lbs are something but the fact is that it wont be the 1st time that a fighter faces a 10lbs difference fight night within the same divisions and succeed, the most recent example is that Cotto could had probably come 158-160 against Clottey whens it is well known that Cottey normally comes in at 170 like he did 2-1/2 years ago against Corrales fighting at 147. Cotto still managed to come out with a close decision because Cotto had other advantages than the weight. Like this example their are many others that go up in weight fight night but that wont guarantee a victory.

      If Pacquaio is as good as he seams to be and we all know that he has the advantage in stamina, speed, movement, home courts advantage and a better corner, the 10 lbs advantage will be neutralized and they should have a leveled playing field.
      Last edited by prsi; 09-04-2009, 06:52 PM.

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      • Al Haymon
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        #73
        Originally posted by rao007
        And I ask you this: what is Floyd's walking weight compared with pacquiao's? And looking at the Oscar-Floyd fight--they're was hardly a size disparity between the two.
        Rao,

        I'm happy to discuss with you. Would you please include a response to my question along with your own question.

        Thanks.



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        • Al Haymon
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          #74
          Originally posted by Pullcounter
          if pbf and dlh were the same size, how much worse would dlh's beating by pbf be?
          Pullcounter,

          Do you know what the actual (or estimated) fight night weights were? And then i'll gladly discuss hypotheticals with you.

          Thanks.

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          • rao007
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            #75
            Originally posted by prsi
            I agree 10 lbs are something but the fact is that it wont be the 1st time that a fighter faces a 10lbs difference fight night within the same divisions and succeed, the most recent example is that Cotto could had probably come 158-160 against Clottey whens it is well known that Cottey normally comes in at 170 like he did 2-1/2 years ago against Corrales fighting at 147. Cotto still managed to come out with a close decision because Cotto had other advantages than the weight. Like this example their are many others that go up in weight fight night but that wont guarantee a victory.

            If Pacquaio is as good as he seams to be and we all know that he has the advantage in stamina, speed, movement, home courts advantage and a better corner, the 10 lbs advantage will be neutralized and they should have a leveled playing field.
            Wait, haven't Cotto fans been making an argument about his timing and boxing which would nuetralize Pacquiao's speed and movement?

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            • Pullcounter
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              #76
              Originally posted by prsi
              If Pacquaio is as good as he seams to be and we all know that he has the advantage in stamina, speed, movement, home courts advantage and a better corner, the 10 lbs advantage will be neutralized and they should have a leveled playing field.
              cotto ain't some chump. the 10+ lbs isn't the only advantage cotto will have.

              vegas is not pac's home court. vegas is neutral territory.

              Originally posted by Al Haymon
              Pullcounter,

              Do you know what the actual (or estimated) fight night weights were?
              yes.

              And then i'll gladly discuss hypotheticals with you.

              Thanks.
              now discuss. if pbf and dlh were the same size, how much worse would dlh's beating by pbf be?

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              • rao007
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                #77
                Originally posted by Al Haymon
                Rao,

                I'm happy to discuss with you. Would you please include a response to my question along with your own question.

                Thanks.



                Floyd sure didn't give as much weight to Delahoya as Pacquiao will to Cotto. They didn't have unofficial weighins for the Oscar-Floyd fight.

                For the record, there is no way Floyd could make 140 and fight effectively against Marquez.

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                • prsi
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                  #78
                  Originally posted by rao007
                  Wait, haven't Cotto fans been making an argument about his timing and boxing which would nuetralize Pacquiao's speed and movement?
                  I agree with you but that it has been said, and i'm one of the persons that beleive Cotto could probably neutralized Pacman's speed with his jab but those are just opinions and points of view of what MIGHT happen.

                  In my post I only mentioned proven facts.
                  Pacman is faster has had more stamina, movement than Cotto and the corner advantage is obvious.
                  Cotto will be heavier and probably stronger.
                  Therefore the playing field is leveled.

                  How will they adjust or neutralized each other with their advantages??, is yet to be seen in the ring.

                  All we can do is speculate give our opinions and points of view of what MIGHT happen

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                    #79
                    Originally posted by rao007
                    Floyd sure didn't give as much weight to Delahoya as Pacquiao will to Cotto. They didn't have unofficial weighins for the Oscar-Floyd fight.

                    For the record, there is no way Floyd could make 140 and fight effectively against Marquez.
                    If hes drinking Coke and can make 144 he can make 140.

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                    • prsi
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                      #80
                      Originally posted by Pullcounter
                      cotto ain't some chump. the 10+ lbs isn't the only advantage cotto will have.

                      vegas is not pac's home court. vegas is neutral territory.
                      Never said Cotto was a chump and he will have power as an advantage also but Pacman has more speed, workrate movement stamina and a better corner. Like i said before, it will the boxer that can use their advantage to dominate the other, who will win th fight, but the playing field is leveled and that was my bottom line.

                      Vegas has clearly a bigger Phillippine community than Puerto Ricans, not to mentioned that over the last years Pacquaio's fan base has grown thanks to his constant west coast fights in comparrison to Cotto who has mostly fought in the east coast.
                      Last edited by prsi; 09-04-2009, 09:20 PM.

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