TBRB Issues Statement About Boxing News Magazine Not Recognizing Letter Orgs

[Combat Talk Radio]

https://tbrb.org/

Please be informed that boxing’s oldest publication, Boxing News (est. 1909), announced today that it will adopt the Transnational Boxing Rankings. It has officially turned it’s back on the WBS belts, which have brought chaos and confusion into what should be the most straightforward sport on the planet.

According to them:

• There is no "true champion" at Welterweight (I would agree)

• There is no "true champion" at Super Welter (I disagree. Charlo is clearly the dominant factor at 154 and has not ducked smoke. If the Castano fight goes through, based on how badly Lara outclassed the man (but half-assed the performance), I expect Charlo to make short work of him)

• There is no 'true champion" at middleweight (I disagree. You could argue either Canelo or Golovkin during their runs.)

• There is no "true champion" at super middleweight (I disagree - Canelo beat the man that beat the man and regardless of that, has been the ONLY one dominant at 168)

• Rigondeaux who got schooled by Loma is a "true champion"

• Estrada who took L's from both Srisaket and Choco, is "true champion" over both despite Choco at one point being considered P4P before Srisaket beat him twice

• Teofimo who has one razor close signature win for belts is "true champion" despite refusing to fight Haney, Garcia and Davis openly on DAZN and costing Triller millions over a COVID finding

• Tyson Fury is "true champion" at HW despite never defending a title

I mean...okay.

[famicommander]

You obviously don't know how they crown champions.

A champion can only be crowned when:
1. They beat the current champion
or
2. A vacancy is filled when the top two ranked fighters in the division fight.

That's it. Rigo is still a champion because he hasn't lost a fight or gone long enough without defending it in the weight class where he won it. It's not complicated.

Lopez is a champion because he and Lomachenko were the top two guys in the division when they fought and the title was vacant at the time.

Tyson Fury is a champion because he and Wilder were the top two ranked guys when they fought the second time and the title was vacant, and had been since one of Fury's multiple retirement announcements during his hiatus.

There is no champion at middleweight because Canelo abdicated his middleweight titles and says he isn't coming back to the division.

[Combat Talk Radio]

You obviously don't know how they crown champions.

I know how they crown "true champions". It's nonsense.

Reason: what you described assumes two things. First, it assumes the letter orgs don't exist - they still do. Second, it assumes that unification is meaningless because you could end up with a #2 that doesn't hold a belt. How?

"Eye test".

That's the problem.

No...what needs to happen is, when a guy is dominant in the division, is fighting top opposition (by way of belt holders or highly ranked opponents), that guy is the true champion.

Right now, the only reason I say Spence isn't yet true champion is that he hasn't fought Manny yet. Once that's done, if he holds a win over 5 Top 5 Welterweights, I don't care what TBRB says, Spence is the man of the division because nobody else at welterweight can say that. That's the core definition of.

"Who else at __________ is doing what I've done in this division?"

Going by that - which is the real standard, the only champions you can arguably crown are Canelo, Breidis, Inoue, Taylor, Jermell Charlo and Teofimo.

[famicommander]

I know how they crown "true champions". It's nonsense.

Reason: what you described assumes two things. First, it assumes the letter orgs don't exist - they still do. Second, it assumes that unification is meaningless because you could end up with a #2 that doesn't hold a belt. How?

"Eye test".

That's the problem.

No...what needs to happen is, when a guy is dominant in the division, is fighting top opposition (by way of belt holders or highly ranked opponents), that guy is the true champion.

Right now, the only reason I say Spence isn't yet true champion is that he hasn't fought Manny yet. Once that's done, if he holds a win over 5 Top 5 Welterweights, I don't care what TBRB says, Spence is the man of the division because nobody else at welterweight can say that. That's the core definition of.

"Who else at __________ is doing what I've done in this division?"

Going by that - which is the real standard, the only champions you can arguably crown are Canelo, Breidis, Inoue, Taylor, Jermell Charlo and Teofimo.

The belts are meaningless trinkets. All that matters are the rankings.

[Combat Talk Radio]

All that matters are the rankings.

And the rankings must be based on something other than 'eye test', or they're just as meaningless.

[famicommander]

And the rankings must be based on something other than 'eye test', or they're just as meaningless.

The rankings for the belts themselves are far more arbitrary than the methods the TBRB uses. Why does using meaningless rankings to determine who holds a meaningless trinket mean more than looking at the resumes and recent histories of all the fighters in the division to determine rankings?

The alphabet soups rank freaking dead guys. They reinsert fighters that have been inactive for years into their rankings before they even take a fight. When someone signs with Arum or Warren they mysteriously skyrocket up the WBO rankings; when someone signs with Hearn or Haymon they mysteriously skyrocket up the WBC and WBA rankings.

The staggering lack of logic in your position is shocking.

[Rockin']

What qualifies a fighter to be ranked #1 or #2?

What qualifies some guy to an deem any fighters worthiness of a ranking?

It all goes back to the IBC.

Just sayin'....................Rockin'

[Marchegiano]

I don't think TBRB is worth a **** anymore than any other 3rd party rating system. Journalism in boxing without bias simply does not and never did exist.

I don't think you can compete with sanctioning body belts without being a sanctioning body.




What does it mean to be a TBRB mandatory? Nothing, because TBRB has no mandos. So you can cry about how corrupt WBC/A/O-IBF mandos are but they're 100% more reliable than TBRB's nonexistent bull****. And why doesn't TBRB have mandos? Because who TF would listen to them? If TBRB told Fury he has to fight Joshua or be stripped of TBRB's HW title then Fury would just get stripped of course. Because they don't have any real actual respect in the industry no matter how hard the band of writers tries to influence the public.

So TBRB can eat a ****.

IBO sucks too because they're basically just Boxrec's belt and Boxrec's computer ratings are ****** nerd **** not serious ratings.

There is no good alt to the big four because there is no good alt. Everyone's trying some silly, lazy, bull**** rather than just making a straight forward sanctioning body and investing in honesty. Make a body and make it translucent as **** so that any fan can look up and understand everything about the body, and I'd bet anything fans hungry for a respectable title would flock to the only respectable title in the ****ing industry.

TF is an ESPN rating?

TF is a Ring mandatory?

TF are computer ratings?

Bull**** that is only attractive to people fed up with bodies telling us one thing then doing another.

[Combat Talk Radio]

The rankings for the belts themselves are far more arbitrary than the methods the TBRB uses. Why does using meaningless rankings to determine who holds a meaningless trinket mean more than looking at the resumes and recent histories of all the fighters in the division to determine rankings?

The alphabet soups rank freaking dead guys. They reinsert fighters that have been inactive for years into their rankings before they even take a fight. When someone signs with Arum or Warren they mysteriously skyrocket up the WBO rankings; when someone signs with Hearn or Haymon they mysteriously skyrocket up the WBC and WBA rankings.

The staggering lack of logic in your position is shocking.

"lack of logic"?

I said that we need to have something other than "eye test".

So you're defending "eye test", basically. Right?

[famicommander]

"lack of logic"?

I said that we need to have something other than "eye test".

So you're defending "eye test", basically. Right?

Sanctioning body rankings are worse and more arbitrary than TBRB rankings. Half the time I've never even heard of the IBF mandatory challenger and I watch every single boxing card that is televised, sold on PPV, or legally streamed in the US.