Terence Crawford Same Fate As Kell Brook

[ShaneMosleySr]

How can you determine how much Brook had in the gas tank after Golovkin? After Spence? After Crawford?

Why is Crawford penalized for Brook’s campaign at 154 but Spence isn’t penalized for Brook’s campaign at 160?

160 to 147 is more draining than 154 to 147.

Brook was 34 when Crawford beat him. He wasn’t old. He also hadn’t lost in three years, so he wasn’t beaten up. He was more beaten up going into the Spence fight directly after being destroyed by a middleweight.

To be fair, Spence did beat Brook who just took a beating from GGG at 160. But Brook still had more left in the tank when he fought Spence compared to when he faced Crawford.

But add three more years of aging and fighting only 3 no hopers at 154, then drain him back to 147 where his last fight there was a bad loss to Spence.

He had a belt when Spence beat him, and that was first title shot. What did Brook have besides his name when Crawford beat him?

[ShaneMosleySr]

“10 years ago”, Crawford fought a top 10 p4p fighter and you’re complaining about his experience on the top level.

“Gamboa has seen better days”: Gamboa was undefeated and a top 10 p4p fighter.

Who cares what weight class it was in?

Your words:

”And by this I mean he won’t have the experience to win fights with the real ones when he finally does step up

fighters gain experience and become better by facing good competition”

Why didn’t you specify that only Terence Crawford’s welterweight resume counts?

Please do. I’ll destroy your argument anyway.

that was 10 years ago two weight classes down vs a guy who seen better days

Gamboa showed how good he is by hurting Crawford and dropping him

[GrandpaBernard]

“10 years ago”, Crawford fought a top 10 p4p fighter and you’re complaining about his experience on the top level.

“Gamboa has seen better days”: Gamboa was undefeated and a top 10 p4p fighter.

Who cares what weight class it was in?

Your words:

”And by this I mean he won’t have the experience to win fights with the real ones when he finally does step up

fighters gain experience and become better by facing good competition”

Why didn’t you specify that only Terence Crawford’s welterweight resume counts?

Please do. I’ll destroy your argument anyway.

10 years ago is very uckin important

that’s 10 years Terence has grown accustomed to fighting at a lower level

And he has been hurt by some of these lesser fighters

[ShaneMosleySr]

It was seven years ago.

Since then, Crawford unified the entire division above him (all four belts) won a welterweight title from someone who was undefeated and beat Manny Pacquiao and knocked out a former champion who beat the guy Errol Spence won his second title from.

That’s a lot of low level competition in those seven years LOL.

10 years ago is very uckin important

that’s 10 years Terence has grown accustomed to fighting at a lower level

And he has been hurt by some of these lesser fighters

[Willy Wanker]

How can you determine how much Brook had in the gas tank after Golovkin? After Spence? After Crawford?

Why is Crawford penalized for Brook’s campaign at 154 but Spence isn’t penalized for Brook’s campaign at 160?

160 to 147 is more draining than 154 to 147.

Brook was 34 when Crawford beat him. He wasn’t old. He also hadn’t lost in three years, so he wasn’t beaten up. He was more beaten up going into the Spence fight directly after being destroyed by a middleweight.

A one off fight in a higher division isn't the same as spending 3+ years in a higher division against 3 soft opponents. We can argue that Brook was drained in both fights, but time matters and three years is a long time to go back down to a lower weight class. He wasn't a small Welterweight either.

You also have to look at where Spence and Crawford were in their respective careers when they faced Brook.

Spence just beat Algieiri and Bundu, he gained a little hype behind him, but never fought for a world title yet and Brook was a step up for him at the time.

Spence was an up and comer, Crawford was considered #1 p4p by a lot of people when he signed to fight Brook, and people knew it was a mismatch.

Brook was in shape and gave a great effort against Spence, while against Crawford he clearly showed up to lose and collect a check.

[GrandpaBernard]

It was seven years ago.

Since then, Crawford unified the entire division above him (all four belts) won a welterweight title from someone who was undefeated and beat Manny Pacquiao and knocked out a former champion who beat the guy Errol Spence won his second title from.

That’s a lot of low level competition in those seven years LOL.

You know exactly what I mean

terence has spent years not fighting the best welters

[ShaneMosleySr]

We agree Brook was weight drained for both fights.

We agree that Crawford-Brook was a mismatch.

We agree that Spence was an up and comer when he fought Brook and Crawford was a top pound for pound fighter when he fought Brook.

What I don’t understand is how Spence fighting Brook is an example of fighting top competition and gaining experience but Crawford fighting Brook isn’t.

Brook is a good fighter and a name fighter. That’s a good name on Crawford’s resume and a fight that made sense considering none of the PBC welterweights will fight Crawford.

A one off fight in a higher division isn't the same as spending 3+ years in a higher division against 3 soft opponents. We can argue that Brook was drained in both fights, but time matters and three years is a long time to go back down to a lower weight class. He wasn't a small Welterweight either.

You also have to look at where Spence and Crawford were in their respective careers when they faced Brook.

Spence just beat Algieiri and Bundu, he gained a little hype behind him, but never fought for a world title yet and Brook was a step up for him at the time.

Spence was an up and comer, Crawford was considered #1 p4p by a lot of people when he signed to fight Brook, and people knew it was a mismatch.

Brook was in shape and gave a great effort against Spence, while against Crawford he clearly showed up to lose and collect a check.

[ShaneMosleySr]

The promotional company that represents the fighters you want him to fight won’t have those fighters fight Terence Crawford.

Yet, Crawford won a title a welterweight, by beating an undefeated fighter who beat Manny Pacquiao to win that very same title.

He beat a former welterweight champion, who beat the guy Errol Spence won his second title from..: this former champion only had one loss at 147.

He beat a former unified super lightweight champion who had campaigned at 147 for five years without losing.

So this idea that Terence Crawford isn’t fighting good competition at welterweight is insane.

You know exactly what I mean

terence has spent years not fighting the best welters

[GrandpaBernard]

The promotional company that represents the fighters you want him to fight won’t have those fighters fight Terence Crawford.

Yet, Crawford won a title a welterweight, by beating an undefeated fighter who beat Manny Pacquiao to win that very same title.

He beat a former welterweight champion, who beat the guy Errol Spence won his second title from..: this former champion only had one loss at 147.

He beat a former unified super lightweight champion who had campaigned at 147 for five years without losing.

So this idea that Terence Crawford isn’t fighting good competition at welterweight is insane.

if the Horn floats YOUR boat Shane Jr

he hasn’t fought the absolute best. He has fought the best available TO HIM

Terence still lacking at 147

[Scopedog]

He was undisputed champion at 140 but he hasn't "stepped up" yet? wtf is wrong with this forum