I have Tank winning this fight but...

[ShaneMosleySr]

Pedraza and Santa Cruz.

He’s beating those guys the way a top p4p talent would beat them.

Im not arguing that he has a great resume but he’s clearly an elite boxer. Barrios is a nobody.

p4p talent based on what?

[KTFOKING]

he wasnt? his first ppv was against dillian whyte. his next fight was a title fight against martin. almost all his ppv fights have been against top 10 opponents cept molina and takam(5 days notice or so when pulev pulled out) he also hasnt hesitated to try and fight everyone in his division where tank has ran away from anyone good. where has tank offered loma, lopez, etc...100 million dollars to fight? he wouldnt even fight tevin farmer.

How are you going to say he wasn't and then mention the Whyte fight? So you agree he was put on PPV before he was proven? Even after the Whyte fight and heading to the Martin fight, he was not proven in the sense that we are talking about. It wasn't until the Klitschko fight that he became proven but he was on PPV before that due to how big of a draw he was.

Now you are trying to make the conversation what it isn't.

It's fine, you don't like how Tank has been moved and how unproven he is. I don't think he is proven either where you put him anywhere near P4P lists or make him massive favorite over certain fighters. But you asked why this is a PPV fight, and I told you why. And besides, you don't have to worry about spending $75 dollars on it since that is not what it will cost out in the UK...Heck, Loma fights the same time so you can catch that one.

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Pedraza and Santa Cruz.

He’s beating those guys the way a top p4p talent would beat them.

Im not arguing that he has a great resume but he’s clearly an elite boxer. Barrios is a nobody.

i didnt know someone could be a top p4p talent by beating jose pedraza or a tiny santa cruz. i guess p4p standards have dramatically fallen lately.

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How are you going to say he wasn't and then mention the Whyte fight? So you agree he was put on PPV before he was proven? Even after the Whyte fight and heading to the Martin fight, he was not proven in the sense that we are talking about. It wasn't until the Klitschko fight that he became proven but he was on PPV before that due to how big of a draw he was.

Now you are trying to make the conversation what it isn't.

It's fine, you don't like how Tank has been moved and how unproven he is. I don't think he is proven either where you put him anywhere near P4P lists or make him massive favorite over certain fighters. But you asked why this is a PPV fight, and I told you why. And besides, you don't have to worry about spending $75 dollars on it since that is not what it will cost out in the UK...Heck, Loma fights the same time so you can catch that one.

im not from the uk so i dont know what you are talking about. im not dis*****g that joshua wasnst a big draw. im saying when joshua realized he had drawing power he started taking on good fighters and wasnt cherry picking like tank. whyte, charles martin and wlad sh-it all over barrios and tiny santa cruz. i dont know why you would think that competition is comparable. also ppvs in the uk cost much less so its not a fair comparison to start with. joshua klitschko was about 25 dollars. tank barrios is 75. thats hilarious. also joshua was an olympic gold medalist. he had a built in audience. tank did not. they have built him out of thin air or fat air in tanks case. he hasnt fought anyone good to get on ppv, doesnt have amateur accolades like joshua, its all built on hype.

[KTFOKING]

im not from the uk so i dont know what you are talking about. im not dis*****g that joshua wasnst a big draw. im saying when joshua realized he had drawing power he started taking on good fighters and wasnt cherry picking like tank. whyte, charles martin and wlad sh-it all over barrios and tiny santa cruz. i dont know why you would think that competition is comparable. also ppvs in the uk cost much less so its not a fair comparison to start with. joshua klitschko was about 25 dollars. tank barrios is 75. thats hilarious.

Who said anything about competition? You asked why two unproven fighters are headlining PPV and I brought up Joshua headlining PPVs before he was proven...Which is a fact. When he fought Whyte, how were either of them proven? When he fought Martin, how were either of them proven? Joshua wasn't headlining PPVs because he was some proven P4P type of fighter.

Sure, UK fight fans also pay quite a bit for Sky Sports every month. A lot of boxing fans also have Sky Sports for the EPL and other sports. There is no perfect comparison. Of course PPVs are more stateside. Why? Because people will still buy them at the price they are. If they wouldn't, then they would be much lower but that still hasn't happened in how many years? Even the "lowest" PPV stateside is going to be $50 bucks, which is double the PPV price point in the UK.

[ShaneMosleySr]

He’s a pound for pound talent.

His resume isn’t there yet.

Lomachenko lost three rounds to Pedraza. Davis destroyed him.

Leo Santa Cruz lost a close decision in a unification fight and avenged it. Davis destroyed him.

Hes a p4p talent.

i didnt know someone could be a top p4p talent by beating jose pedraza or a tiny santa cruz. i guess p4p standards have dramatically fallen lately.

[daggum]

Who said anything about competition? You asked why two unproven fighters are headlining PPV and I brought up Joshua headlining PPVs before he was proven...Which is a fact. When he fought Whyte, how were either of them proven? When he fought Martin, how were either of them proven? Joshua wasn't headlining PPVs because he was some proven P4P type of fighter.

Sure, UK fight fans also pay quite a bit for Sky Sports every month. A lot of boxing fans also have Sky Sports for the EPL and other sports. There is no perfect comparison. Of course PPVs are more stateside. Why? Because people will still buy them at the price they are. If they wouldn't, then they would be much lower but that still hasn't happened in how many years? Even the "lowest" PPV stateside is going to be $50 bucks, which is double the PPV price point in the UK.

joshua was a gold medalist fighting undefeated prospects, world champs, and all time greats like wlad on ppv. tank is fighting tiny santa cruz and barrios. not being a perfect comparison is an understatement. this is just a flat out scam. joshua could have lost all those fights. thats the point. even if joshua wasnt proven like you said he was still taking risks. tank is not going to lose to a tiny santa cruz or a guy who was battered around the ring against akhmedov. these arent risks. if they are risks for him then he sucks balls. win or lose joshua was fighting good competition. win or lose tank is not. also he has been fighting weak competition for more than 4 years now. joshua has not. this is tanks career strategy.

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He’s a pound for pound talent.

His resume isn’t there yet.

Lomachenko lost three rounds to Pedraza. Davis destroyed him.

Leo Santa Cruz lost a close decision in a unification fight and avenged it. Davis destroyed him.

Hes a p4p talent.

loma dominated pedraza. so did zepeda. zepeda p4p talent too? even edner cherry deserved the win vs pedraza but it was close so i guess hes not a p4p talent? santa cruz was not a 130 pound fighter. the things you mentioned were not accomplished at 130. if santa cruz was some unified champ with a good resume at 130 then yeah thats a good win. that didnt happen. he had 1 fight at 130 against a guy who had just been ko'd twice. talk about soft.


basically what you are saying is that as long as you knock over stiffs you are a p4p talent. jarret hurd must be a p4p talent cause he ko'd trout and canelo barely beat him. devon alexander must be a p4p talent cause he dominated maidana and floyd barely beat him. how can we triangle our way so tank is a top p4p fighter without ever having to fight anyone good? mungia now a top p4p guy cause he ko'd that guy faster than ggg did it?

[KTFOKING]

joshua was a gold medalist fighting undefeated prospects, world champs, and all time greats like wlad on ppv. tank is fighting tiny santa cruz and barrios. not being a perfect comparison is an understatement. this is just a flat out scam. joshua could have lost all those fights. thats the point. even if joshua wasnt proven like you said he was still taking risks. tank is not going to lose to a tiny santa cruz or a guy who was battered around the ring against akhmedov. these arent risks. if they are risks for him then he sucks balls. win or lose joshua was fighting good competition. win or lose tank is not. also he has been fighting weak competition for more than 4 years now. joshua has not. this is tanks career strategy.

The perfect comparison comment was about the PPV price point.

Joshua before fighting Wlad, fought Whyte and Martin. Why? Because he was already a draw before he was proven. You asked a simple question on why Tank is headlining if he is not proven and you got an answer for that. You just didn't like that answer so you switched the conversation.

At least you now know why Tank is on PPV. Let's leave it at that .

[ShaneMosleySr]

Zepada beat Pedraza 7-3 in a 10 round fight.

Davis dominated and knocked him unconscious.

loma dominated pedraza. so did zepeda. zepeda p4p talent too? even edner cherry deserved the win vs pedraza but it was close so i guess hes not a p4p talent? santa cruz was not a 130 pound fighter. the things you mentioned were not accomplished at 130. if santa cruz was some unified champ with a good resume at 130 then yeah thats a good win. that didnt happen. he had 1 fight at 130 against a guy who had just been ko'd twice. talk about soft.


basically what you are saying is that as long as you knock over stiffs you are a p4p talent. jarret hurd must be a p4p talent cause he ko'd trout and canelo barely beat him. devon alexander must be a p4p talent cause he dominated maidana and floyd barely beat him. how can we triangle our way so tank is a top p4p fighter without ever having to fight anyone good? mungia now a top p4p guy cause he ko'd that guy faster than ggg did it?