Comments Thread For: Tyson Fury Risks All-Time Big-Man Title in Deontay Wilder Trilogy

[champion4ever]

so wat r u “showing” me? That AJ was avoiding Ortiz?? That was point- said nothing about Ruiz.

Why doesn't Ruiz wants no part of Grandpa Ortiz? Here's an exact quote from the article: http://Earlier this year, Ruiz returned to the ring and got off the floor to win a twelve round decision over veteran Chris Arreola. Ortiz was ringside for that fight and called out Ruiz in the aftermath. He says Ruiz told him that he needed more time to get himself ready for this kind of fight.

[OldTerry]

Thanks for the run down bro, much appreciated. I grew up watching Lennox Lewis and he has always been the standard bearer for me just cos I wasn't around to see the others, I've watched many Ali fights though, and Frazier, foreman and holmes, but never really got to watching much Marciano but I always assumed those fighters wouldn't stand a chance against the fighters of today but if the boxing historians think different then my view is probably wrong

Actually I meant Louis as one of the two best ever heavyweights. Ring Magazine has Lennox Lewis tied with Evander Holyfield at number 11. We all tend to think that fighters or athletes in our memory are superior to those from the past whom we never saw. The truth is that no one really knows for sure, so we can still have fun discussions about it.

[thetruthteller]

Translation: there's no point debating me cos I make your points look ******... Fury isn't my favourite hw, and I've already seen him be exposed in previous fights, so I know what I'm looking at u arrogant turd burgler and as I'm British and love boxing I've watched almost every fight he's ever had, and if he does fight Joshua I will be on the fence with who I want to win cos i like Joshua aswell despite the lack of personality, he's technically sound apart from no head movement and if u been here long enough you'll know I've said all along wilder always has a chance against fury or anyone for that matter as u can't negate that right hand if he manages to land it clean, and just for the record, pianeta isn't a euro bum, he beat duhaupas who gave wilder all sorts of trouble as have many other guys, Otto wallin isn't a bum either as u will soon see, seferi was a bad fighter but I don't like calling any fighter a bum, but it was his first fight back and he was still hugely overweight. I don't give fury a free pass, I don't like how he got caught with s**t in his system, and he lost a lot of respect from ppl for that, but he's been clean since and what's the point of hating a guy for the rest of his career for that, everyone doesn't hate canelo for the same reasons, and also both guys are good to watch

You make my points look ******, yet in the very next sentence, you validate my points haha. OK. You are cancelled. And yes, Pianeta is and was a bum. So is Wallin, Seferi and Schwarz for that matter. And Canelo is a cheat too by the way. Wilder can beat up on bums his entire career but is/when he ever steps up, he will get further embarrassed and be out of his depth. Fury too. Which is why neither of them have fought the best opponents. If you can grasp this, then get it

[IRONCHINHAGLER]

Why doesn't Ruiz wants no part of Grandpa Ortiz? Here's an exact quote from the article: http://Earlier this year, Ruiz returned to the ring and got off the floor to win a twelve round decision over veteran Chris Arreola. Ortiz was ringside for that fight and called out Ruiz in the aftermath. He says Ruiz told him that he needed more time to get himself ready for this kind of fight.

Lol - my post was about Ortiz turning down a legit offer from AJ - who obviously was not afraid of the “boogeyman” aka The ancient cuban senior citizen.

[champion4ever]

Lol - my post was about Ortiz turning down a legit offer from AJ - who obviously was not afraid of the “boogeyman” aka The ancient cuban senior citizen.

No because he had the Wilder fight in the works for later that year in 2019. Remember, that Ortiz was AJ's WBA mandatory challenger back in 2017. However, Joshua fought his IBF mandatory against Carlos Takam instead.

Which was why he ended up leaving Matchroom to fighting on the PBC. Wilder gave him an opportunity first at a title shot. Then in turn Wilder gave him a second title shot. So Ortiz' loyalty was with Deontay Wilder over Anthony Joshua.

[IRONCHINHAGLER]

No because he had the Wilder fight in the works for later that year in 2019. Remember, that Ortiz was AJ's WBA mandatory challenger back in 2017. However, Joshua fought his IBF mandatory against Carlos Takam instead.

Which was why he ended up leaving Matchroom to fighting on the PBC. Wilder gave him an opportunity first at a title shot. Then in turn Wilder gave him a second title shot. So Ortiz' loyalty was with Deontay Wilder over Anthony Joshua.

wrong - Ortiz was offered the Aj fight as a replacement for Big Baby Miller. Ortiz himself was furious and said as much himself wen his team turned it down without his consent. Once again my point was AJ is a top Hw who is obviously not fearful of the cuban senior citizen as u claim. Also ..think is safe to assume Ruiz knew he looked like and fought like crap against Old past it punchy Arreola…would b obvious he need to improve and change a few things before facing Ortiz - who is obviously more skilled than Arreola ever was. U really gonna say bc of that Ruiz is scared or ducking Ortiz??

[snowdog]

Well I can respect that. Our environment and experience is what help shape and form our values. So in a sense I can understand where you are coming from.

However, I don't want you to ever think it's because of Tyson Fury's race is why I believe as I believe. It has nothing to do with race but only the visual and irrefutable evidence that I've seen with my own eyes is what convinced me that Fury is guilty of tampering with his gloves.

From the flappy ones to the deflated ones. Both were illegal, criminal and could have caused great bodily harm and permanent disfigurement. If Tyson Fury would have been Anthony Joshua, Dillian Whyte or Michael Hunter I would have felt just the same.

I'll ask this again - if Fury has tampered with his gloves, that means (because his hands AREN'T broken to pieces) he's also tampered with his hand wraps by adding gypsum to them to make plaster of paris.

1) How did this tampering with the gloves take place given that there wasn't time to cut the glove, remove the horse hair/padding and sew the glove back up?

2) Why wasn't the tampering of the gloves discovered by the post-fight inspection by the Commission?

3) Why weren't the plaster of paris hand wraps discovered by the post-fight inspection by the Commission?

4) Why wasn't Wilder's face in a complete mess during and after the fight? The damage we saw to his mush matches the amount of damage you'd expect to see on a fighter after being dominated and battered by an opponent after 7 rounds.

The evidence simply doesn't add up. These allegations of glove tampering are pure nonsense. Since the tampering of Magarito vs Cotto gloves and hand wraps are cut off by a member of the Commission and inspected for signs of tampering after a fight.

So what are you suggesting? That Deas didn't have a clue what he was looking for, the Commission guy ALSO didn't have a clue what he was looking for? Or maybe they were both in on it? Are you also suggesting that Fury was also putting half of the effort into his punches to save Wilder from permanent damage?

This wasn't a Welterweight fight with two guys between ten stone and ten and a half stone fighting. This was a Heavyweight fight with Fury weighing in at 273lbs, that's 19 and a half stone. Glove tampering without hand wrap tampering at that weight would have Fury's hands broken to pieces, glove tampering WITH hand wrap tampering would have KILLED Wilder or at least turned his face into minced beef.

It just doesn't add up. It didn't happen.

[champion4ever]

wrong - Ortiz was offered the Aj fight as a replacement for Big Baby Miller. Ortiz himself was furious and said as much himself wen his team turned it down without his consent. Once again my point was AJ is a top Hw who is obviously not fearful of the cuban senior citizen as u claim. Also ..think is safe to assume Ruiz knew he looked like and fought like crap against Old past it punchy Arreola…would b obvious he need to improve and change a few things before facing Ortiz - who is obviously more skilled than Arreola ever was. U really gonna say bc of that Ruiz is scared or ducking Ortiz??

You are right. I thought I admitted that point.

He did turn down Joshua when he made his American debut to fight Jarrell Miller because it's like I said. It was due to him fighting Deontay Wilder later that same year. He may have been upset about the situation but his handlers thought it was a better career move for him.

The reason why I say that Ruiz fears Ortiz because he told Ortiz he needed more time to get ready for this kind of fight. However, when the Joshua/Fury undisputed fight fell through he said he was ready, willing and able to fight. So to me me that sounded like he was ducking.

[champion4ever]

I'll ask this again - if Fury has tampered with his gloves, that means (because his hands AREN'T broken to pieces) he's also tampered with his hand wraps by adding gypsum to them to make plaster of paris.

1) How did this tampering with the gloves take place given that there wasn't time to cut the glove, remove the horse hair/padding and sew the glove back up?

2) Why wasn't the tampering of the gloves discovered by the post-fight inspection by the Commission?

3) Why weren't the plaster of paris hand wraps discovered by the post-fight inspection by the Commission?

4) Why wasn't Wilder's face in a complete mess during and after the fight? The damage we saw to his mush matches the amount of damage you'd expect to see on a fighter after being dominated and battered by an opponent after 7 rounds.

The evidence simply doesn't add up. These allegations of glove tampering are pure nonsense. Since the tampering of Magarito vs Cotto gloves and hand wraps are cut off by a member of the Commission and inspected for signs of tampering after a fight.

So what are you suggesting? That Deas didn't have a clue what he was looking for, the Commission guy ALSO didn't have a clue what he was looking for? Or maybe they were both in on it? Are you also suggesting that Fury was also putting half of the effort into his punches to save Wilder from permanent damage?

This wasn't a Welterweight fight with two guys between ten stone and ten and a half stone fighting. This was a Heavyweight fight with Fury weighing in at 273lbs, that's 19 and a half stone. Glove tampering without hand wrap tampering at that weight would have Fury's hands broken to pieces, glove tampering WITH hand wrap tampering would have KILLED Wilder or at least turned his face into minced beef.

It just doesn't add up. It didn't happen.

Just explain this video to me then buddy! Watch how Fury is flapping with the back of his glove to Deontay's face which is illegal by the way and then watches how he turns that same glove over and lands a left hook with it through the non padded wrist area of that left glove with his fist.

He's done this same dirty illegal trick over and over again in both fights. Starting at the beginning of the video in fight one and also at 4:20 of the video watch how deflated his gloves are in the second fight as he is punching Wilder repeatedly with his open hand of the non padded left glove of the wrist area with his fist.

The bottom line is he did that shit and you know he did that shit but is too cowardly and afraid to admit it because you are happy that he got away with it. His lying, dirty and cheating ass should have been disqualified in both fights and subsequently locked up for an aggravated assault charge with an illegal weapon.

[IRONCHINHAGLER]

You are right. I thought I admitted that point.

He did turn down Joshua when he made his American debut to fight Jarrell Miller because it's like I said. It was due to him fighting Deontay Wilder later that same year. He may have been upset about the situation but his handlers thought it was a better career move for him.

The reason why I say that Ruiz fears Ortiz because he told Ortiz he needed more time to get ready for this kind of fight. However, when the Joshua/Fury undisputed fight fell through he said he was ready, willing and able to fight. So to me me that sounded like he was ducking.

maybe a duck…but after the sorry performance against Arreola, dont blame him for not wanting to face Ortiz bc he would not stand a chance. U have gotten me a few times Bro and i own it as well…always good to debate boxing with u.