Aside from Pacquiao, is there any other active boxers at present already labeled as a LEGEND?

[ShaneMosleySr]

Was his win over Klitschko turned to a no contest and I missed it?

So he won the fight and won the lineal championship.

He retired and wasn’t the lineal champion anymore.

He won it again when he beat Deontay Wilder.

He’s one of six men to win the lineal championship twice.

Floyd Patterson, Muhammad Ali, Evander Holyfield, George Foreman, Lennox Lewis and Tyson Fury.

He’s already a legend.

Bro he lost the lineal status and was stripped of his titles when he tested positive

[ShaneMosleySr]

I guess my list just doesn’t include the nonsense heavyweight champions that no one recognizes.

Homie, Shane's feeding a line of bull****.

At best Fury might end up one of six who is recognized. Loads of dudes won the lineal title until historians decided their claim wasn't the strongest of the era. The list of men who actually won a HW title in a HW title fight before sanctioning bodies is pretty long and kind of why we have sanctioning bodies now. Disputes happened all the damn time.

Any list of lineal is picked and chosen, it's not as cut and dry as this man beat this man so he's the champion. If there was a dispute the historian who created the list picks one, mentions him, and makes no mention of the other champion. Soon as you get to the pre-body era and anything before it is just historian consensus, and, historians in boxing are notoriously ****ty historians with biases that neglect a full truth. Hence their bias ass lineal lists. Mostly based off Nat Fleischer who was a plagiarist and liar.

I'll give you one, Peter Maher is as much a lineal champion as Marvin Hart. Won his title the exact same way. In both cases the champion retired, elected his student for the vacancy, and elected a highly thought of opponent for his student to beat. In both cases the student lost and the champion handed over their belt to the man who won. Maher is on no one's lineal lists. Which stops Fitzs from being recognized as a x2 HW champion and x2 lineal HW champion. Also fails to capture how Jeffries ended the dispute by whooping both versions of champions.

So, it's really the story historians want to tell. Maybe in 40 years they'll decide he had one reign. Maybe they will decide he had no reign. Maybe they agree with Shane and call it a x2 reign. We don't know. We know when Maher fought O'Donnel it was for the lineal title. He won it, then when he fought Fitzs it was for the HW title, then when Fitzs won he lost his HW claim to Sharkey then won a different one off Corbett. Sharkey loses his HW claim to Jeffries who also whooped Fitzs. Ain't no reason to not include Maher, Fitzs, Sharkey lineage, except, they do need to perpetuate the lie that is lineal was also universal or undisputed. Nah, very much a disputed title and often.


There's also Spring who was just elected. No fight, nothing, just elected. So, strength of claim...that's more historical consensus from bias fans who call themselves historians. Read one ancient history book and one boxing history book....there's a massive difference between conjecture and edited information. Which is why serious fans stick to the original new paper reports and primary sources. Ain't no read to get a ****ty writer with no historical credential's spin really.

[GhostofDempsey]

Canelo is the only fighter on the scene who is entering that territory. If Loma makes a strong comeback and remains dominant he can get there as well.

Everyone else is too many fights away from even being considered.

[Marchegiano]

I guess my list just doesn’t include the nonsense heavyweight champions that no one recognizes.

Dude, you've been plummeting. I don't understand why

Gonna act like you're too ****** to understand what an exhibition is.

Gonna act like you're too ****** to understand a history lesson.

Cool, keep up that act. I'll start to believe you're really just one step above disabled.

[mlac]

Sir David Price

[ShaneMosleySr]

Just name some of the people I missed and it’ll be obvious whether or not they have a legitimate claim to being a two time lineal champion.

Dude, you've been plummeting. I don't understand why

Gonna act like you're too ****** to understand what an exhibition is.

Gonna act like you're too ****** to understand a history lesson.

Cool, keep up that act. I'll start to believe you're really just one step above disabled.

[Marchegiano]

Just name some of the people I missed and it’ll be obvious whether or not they have a legitimate claim to being a two time lineal champion.

I just did, Fitz.


Broughton has a claim

Pipes got a claim for x3

Cribb has a claim

Ward has a claim

Burke got a claim

Hyer has a claim

Heenan has a claim

Wormuld or Coburn, I forget, one of them 1860s who is not Mace has a claim

Mace has a claim

Sullivan has at least one claim for x2

Corbett, obviously, had be awarded his own title back because he gave the belt to Maher and was in Sharkey's possession by the time he came back to boxing.

Not a single man I named is unlisted, all recognized as the champion of their era on any list that covers their eras, all lineals, just their second reign is either conflated with their first or disregarded entirely. Doesn't matter if you pull out books or go to websites like IBRO or CBZ...which is the same dudes anyway...you will see those names, they are as legitimate as legitimate gets.

So, pick a lane, or come clean with picking and choosing what you recognize. Because either retiring does or does not strip a champion. Obviously saying Fury is a x2 because he got stripped for retiring despite he himself saying that's bull**** and continuing to claim the title, but, Corbett is a single reign because his retirement and giving away his belt didn't actually mean he wasn't champion anymore is not just contradictory and inconsistent. It is ******. I don't believe you're actually too ****** to follow what I just said to you, but if you like pretending you are, that's cool brah, ****** ain't a language I am unfamiliar with.

[DebateObserver]

Canelo after his undisputed quest. Go up in weight and finish off Beterbiev. This would earn him a living legend status and should K.O. every doubters including all the legendary fighters from his homeland. But if he let the fight go past so many years and let Beterbiev grow old then that might be a different situation.

[champion4ever]

I'll take Roman Gonzales and Nonito Donaire as my pick of current legends.

[ShaneMosleySr]

Referencing boxers pre-1885 who might have claims as multi-time heavyweight champions strengthens the idea that Fury is a legend.

Finding a couple of debates post 1885 (none of which came after the early 1900s) about whether someone should be a one time or two time lineal champion strengthens my point.

It’s clear what Fury’s achieving if your have to bring up things that happened 130 years ago to discredit him.

He lost his lineal status according to Ring Magazine and TBRB when he retired. He’s lineal again after beating Wilder.

He’s one of six men to do that, since 1885. Possibly one of seven or eight if I give you everything your asking for and ignore the record books.

He’s clearly a legend.

I just did, Fitz.


Broughton has a claim

Pipes got a claim for x3

Cribb has a claim

Ward has a claim

Burke got a claim

Hyer has a claim

Heenan has a claim

Wormuld or Coburn, I forget, one of them 1860s who is not Mace has a claim

Mace has a claim

Sullivan has at least one claim for x2

Corbett, obviously, had be awarded his own title back because he gave the belt to Maher and was in Sharkey's possession by the time he came back to boxing.

Not a single man I named is unlisted, all recognized as the champion of their era on any list that covers their eras, all lineals, just their second reign is either conflated with their first or disregarded entirely. Doesn't matter if you pull out books or go to websites like IBRO or CBZ...which is the same dudes anyway...you will see those names, they are as legitimate as legitimate gets.

So, pick a lane, or come clean with picking and choosing what you recognize. Because either retiring does or does not strip a champion. Obviously saying Fury is a x2 because he got stripped for retiring despite he himself saying that's bull**** and continuing to claim the title, but, Corbett is a single reign because his retirement and giving away his belt didn't actually mean he wasn't champion anymore is not just contradictory and inconsistent. It is ******. I don't believe you're actually too ****** to follow what I just said to you, but if you like pretending you are, that's cool brah, ****** ain't a language I am unfamiliar with.