The problem with Shakur Stevenson is he’s great

[ShaneMosleySr]

It’s everyone’s model.

I just watched a lead up to Charlo-Montiel on Showtime where they told me Charlo is on top of the middleweight division, ignoring the existence of the record holder for all time middleweight defenses and another undefeated champion who used to fight on their network.

ESPN shilling for Top Rank doesn’t have anything to do with what I think about Stevenson.

he's on Top Rank. It's their model to feed their fighters bs..

[just the facts]

It’s exactly what I explained.

He doesn’t get touched.

Its incredibly rare that someone can be in a boxing ring for 12 rounds and avoid punches the way he does.

He’s great and that’s why his fights are so boring.

So in your opinion, no you don't have to beat even one quality fighter to be great? GTFOH!

[ShaneMosleySr]

Do you think when I said “great” I was talking about his boxing ability compared to his peers?

Shakur Stevenson wouldn’t be a hall of fame fighter if he retired right now.

Thank you for making me announce that.

So in your opinion, no you don't have to beat even one quality fighter to be great? GTFOH!

[just the facts]

Do you think when I said “great” I was talking about his boxing ability compared to his peers?

Shakur Stevenson wouldn’t be a hall of fame fighter if he retired right now.

Thank you for making me announce that.

Is there two definitions of great?

[ShaneMosleySr]

We’re discussing boxing ability, not resumes. Welcome to the thread.

Is there two definitions of great?

[ShoulderRoll]

I just watched a lead up to Charlo-Montiel on Showtime where they told me Charlo is on top of the middleweight division, ignoring the existence of the record holder for all time middleweight defenses and another undefeated champion who used to fight on their network.

Golovkin isn't the record holder. Defenses of the WBA secondary title don't count.

[Queen_Leia]

he and Haney are the new Steve Johnston and Paul Spadafora. We never got to see that Mosley vs Johnston fight while both were champions at 135. So 135 has been on some bs since the late 90s

Nah, at least Haney tried to stop Linares. From the 6th round, Haney put up a high guard and walk Linares down....that was actually a good fight. Stevenson fight last night was boring

[ShaneMosleySr]

To you. And I understand that. I even agree.

Im just referencing a statistic all of sports media agrees on to show how biased Showtime is for their guy.

Golovkin isn't the record holder. Defenses of the WBA secondary title don't count.

[buddyr]

This is more nonsense. You guys hate on fighters according to who their promoters are. Floyd was a Top Tank fighter and built his early success with Arum, as did Oscar and Manny among many others. PBC fighters outside of Spence are still fighting for crumbs.

This was Shakur’s 16th fight. Floyd fought Cuello who was 20-7 for his 16th fight. It went the full distance in a snoozer where Floyd was deducted a point for hitting after the break.

for the record, I don't like ANY promoters. NONE. Floyd is protecting Tank. PBC fighters only fight each other. Hearn got his fighters out in the UK fighting bums. DLH, has ryan garcia in witness protection and the list is endless. We're currently talking about Stevenson, and he fights for Top Rank, so that's why I mentioned it. I think I've made it clear in many posts that it's hard for me to name 5 fighters I like above the weight of 130. So don't put me in a category with you and the rest of these clowns ***-riding promoters or fighters

[buddyr]

It’s everyone’s model.

I just watched a lead up to Charlo-Montiel on Showtime where they told me Charlo is on top of the middleweight division, ignoring the existence of the record holder for all time middleweight defenses and another undefeated champion who used to fight on their network.

ESPN shilling for Top Rank doesn’t have anything to do with what I think about Stevenson.

once again, I'm not a Jermall(with an A) charlo fan. I've been very critical for him not getting fights. See my post above.