How is Manny Pacquiao so much better than Mayweather now?

[sargo]

There's a youtube video where Robert Garcia said Floyd told him years ago that Floyd's body could no longer do training/fighting - messed up.

[hugh grant]

Good lord you can’t be this ******. Beating manny or canelo again will not make him deemed greater than he is. He’s already proven it.

Your an eccentric chap. Beating nel o and pa c in their backyards would be daring to be great.
If Floyd is top 25 ATG now, beating Pac and nelo in respective countries takes Floyd to another level. Top 15. Hey knock yourself out maybe top10

[Mike D]

Manny may have never won a fight without PED’s His “clean” record is probably 0-3- loss to Floyd, Horn and JMM.

Let's for argument's sake assume Manny was on PEDs.

PEDs don't take you from being an incompetent fighter who can't win a fight to one of the all-time greats in the sport's history. It doesn't work that way.

Mark McGwire and Barry Bonds didn't go from minor league level baseball players to all-world simply because they started taking PEDs. Lance Armstrong didn't go from riding his bike around his neighborhood to becoming the most decorated cyclist in history just because he took some PEDs. These guys were already great but the PEDs took them from great to almost inhuman.

For the record I think most of the elite level guys of boxing either take PEDs or have at some point taken them during their career. And that includes Floyd. Look at the sport's biggest superstar today -- Canelo. He got caught red handed.

The difference between being an A+ boxer and an A- or B+ boxer is literally millions of dollars. There's an incredibly high incentive to get over that hump by any means necessary. And if someone believes their favorite boxer is pure and clean and holy and would never ever do such a thing because of their superior morality is very, very naive. You have one small window in this sport to cash out and bleed as much money as you can out of it. You don't think guys are going to use every advantage they can get? Especially a guy utterly obsessed with stardom and money like Floyd Mayweather? Come on now. And I'm not even mad at him either for it. Like I said I think the majority of the top guys, the stars -- used at some point. There's no question in my mind. So it would make him no difference than the rest.

But again, to recap, PEDs do not take you from completely average mediocre one in a million boxer to global superstar. It just doesn't work that way. Do you think if Rod Salka roided himself to the gills that he would've become a PPV attraction?

[The Big Dunn]

Well, according to the legit boxing historian, beating the guys that Floyd beat at the time that he beat them, doesn't even crack top 10 all time welterweights.

Yea, he wrote that 3 years before the fight happened. He also claimed Floyd didn’t unify, which we all know is incorrect.

[djtmal]

Yea, he wrote that 3 years before the fight happened. He also claimed Floyd didn’t unify, which we all know is incorrect.

Who did he unify against two past prime welterweights? Or was it Marcos Madonna and Victor Ortiz?

Hell Keith Thurman the guy Floyd ducked beat two good prime guys to unify welterweight.

[The Big Dunn]

Who did he unify against two past prime welterweights? Or was it Marcos Madonna and Victor Ortiz?

Hell Keith Thurman the guy Floyd ducked beat two good prime guys to unify welterweight.

The author wrote the article in 2012. I think the criticism was fair in 2012.

Since that article was written, Floyd unified and beat the 2nd best ww other than himself, and won multiple titles at 154. He won FOTD for the 2010’s . He also had a shutout win over the current #1 p4p boxer .

With current information it’s clear the assessment would be different.

Most people get this but you are desperate.

Carry on.

[djtmal]

The author wrote the article in 2012. I think the criticism was fair in 2012.

Since that article was written, Floyd unified and beat the 2nd best ww other than himself, and won multiple titles at 154. He won FOTD for the 2010’s . He also had a shutout win over the current #1 p4p boxer .

With current information it’s clear the assessment would be different.

Most people get this but you are desperate.

Carry on.

Most people like who the hardcore Floydboys?

Because if thats the case, then as backup you should have your list of legit boxing historians who made all of these adjustments to their all time great lists.

You said you listed all of these guys, just take a moment out of your non-busy schedule and cut/paste this distinguished list please.

As far as I see the wins you mentioned, none of those guys were truly in their prime, they were either pre or post prime, which pretty much sums up Floyds welterweight career outside of the overhyped, b and c list fighters he fought.

You say he unified and beat the 2nd best ww i guess you talking about a past prime Manny for one strap, but what paper champ did he beat for the first strap was it Carlos Baldimir

[GhostofDempsey]

One would think Mayweather would be the more preserved of the two given his shorter career and safety-first boxing style. After Manny's KO loss to Marquez, he made some adjustments. I think it took him awhile to learn a new approach and adapt to those adjustments. He caught his second wind since the Matthyse fight, and he lives a clean life. I don't know what Floyd's drinking or smoking habits are, but he seems to still enjoy the nightlife. His mental state has always been a train wreck, and that doesn't seem to have changed despite all of his success. Mental health goes a long way in longevity overall well-being, Floyd is in a constant state of mental turmoil. Angry little fella with a fragile ego.

[Motofan]

I’m just sad that I don’t think Floyd could stop me in a fight anymore. I’m similar in height and weight to Paul and in better shape. Plus, I’ve been involved in an amature way with boxing since I was a kid. I always just assumed even a dude like an old Paulie would toy with me. Turns out that’s very unlikely. Any pro boxer would out point me but it’s looking like I’d easily see the final bell against the small guys. If one of the best to ever do it couldn’t even discourage a YouTube kid I’m liking my chances of finishing a lopsided loss on my feet. That bums me out.

[Floyd is TBE]

It's called rust and age. It happens to professional athletes. When Michael Jordan retired then came back to play for the Wizards he wasn't magically better than Kobe Bryant.