Teo been knocked out A LOT in sparring

[War Room]

Exactly great points.

Paul Spadafora schooled and beat the shht out of Floyd mayweather in sparring back in the day. Thing was Paul was three weeks out of a fight and was primed up and conditioned and Floyd had just entered camp.

Fact is who gives a *** about sparring and who got the better of who. Fact is if they fought now in a real live fight. Teofimo is handling that dude.

That is completely different. Floyd walked into a gym in plain clithes after a several month of vacation with no training. That wasn't a scheduled session and Floyd didn't get knocked out or dropped. His output was crap and he looked bad. Completely different and terrible comparison.

If you never boxed with a winning record, YDKSAB. Simple.

You learn the other guys tricks in sparring and if you starch him, you're probably going to starch him in the pro's if you been on the straight and narrow.

It's like losing, once you learn how to lose, you have a propensity to do it over and over. if you never lost, you fight different because your wiring is different. But at the end of the day, if you never boxed with a winning record you would never know this.

[R-Hand Southpaw]

Teofimo is a pretty basic fighter with some tricks and that's it. Dude needs to be put up against a certain type of fighter to get the best results and the worst kind of boxer he could face? A boxer who is willing to take his shots.

Thing is too, Teofimo is a good sized LW but dude is too obsessed with his power that probably won't travel up in weight along with his opponents increased punch resistance.

Anyone with a good set of eyes saw Lopez vs Lomachenko as a 7-5 or 6-6 type of fight and a lot of the rounds Lopez won? Given to him by Lomachenko.

Now that's not saying Lopez didn't win those rounds, but points were won based SOLEY on his activity and less about the punches that actually landed clean. Too many times Teofimo was just trying to land by cover huge amounts of the ring just to "punch" Loma into the ropes while his daddy screamed like every single punch landed.

To me, he's literally fits the glass cannon type of fighter. Average punch resistance and good offense. Dude will need to improve his defense as he moves up because when Lomachenko decided to fight he pretty much landed at will.

To all the detractors claiming Lomachenko doesn't deserve a rematch, sure, but real boxing fans KNOW that the winner of the rematch is the one who adjusts bests. Bet they won't tell you who did just that.

Toss a bum shoulder on top of rigged scorecards and you have a case for overhyped

[True-Boxing-Fan]

That is completely different. Floyd walked into a gym in plain clithes after a several month of vacation with no training. That wasn't a scheduled session and Floyd didn't get knocked out or dropped. His output was crap and he looked bad. Completely different and terrible comparison.

If you never boxed with a winning record, YDKSAB. Simple.

You learn the other guys tricks in sparring and if you starch him, you're probably going to starch him in the pro's if you been on the straight and narrow.

It's like losing, once you learn how to lose, you have a propensity to do it over and over. if you never lost, you fight different because your wiring is different. But at the end of the day, if you never boxed with a winning record you would never know this.

You can’t have it both ways dude. You are trying to crap on Teo like you are some know it all boxing guy because you claim to have sparred pros before. LOLRME.

Fact is both are similar situations. Floyd got handled in sparring by an inferior guy and so did Teo. Big ***ing deal dude. It happens

[billeau2]

That is completely different. Floyd walked into a gym in plain clithes after a several month of vacation with no training. That wasn't a scheduled session and Floyd didn't get knocked out or dropped. His output was crap and he looked bad. Completely different and terrible comparison.

If you never boxed with a winning record, YDKSAB. Simple.

You learn the other guys tricks in sparring and if you starch him, you're probably going to starch him in the pro's if you been on the straight and narrow.

It's like losing, once you learn how to lose, you have a propensity to do it over and over. if you never lost, you fight different because your wiring is different. But at the end of the day, if you never boxed with a winning record you would never know this.

My understanding is that it is rare for a sparring partner, or someone who had the advantage in sparring, goes on to win a fight against a talented fighter. Where have you seen exceptions to this rule? I call it the Tyrone Briggs Mike Tyson syndrome: Briggs could handle Tyson in the amatuers... maybe even they had sparred? And we all know what happened when they fought... Holmes beat Ali when Ali was well past it... but in that case the fact that Holmes had been Ali's sparring partner was kind of immaterial to that victory.

[billeau2]

Teofimo is a pretty basic fighter with some tricks and that's it. Dude needs to be put up against a certain type of fighter to get the best results and the worst kind of boxer he could face? A boxer who is willing to take his shots.

Thing is too, Teofimo is a good sized LW but dude is too obsessed with his power that probably won't travel up in weight along with his opponents increased punch resistance.

Anyone with a good set of eyes saw Lopez vs Lomachenko as a 7-5 or 6-6 type of fight and a lot of the rounds Lopez won? Given to him by Lomachenko.

Now that's not saying Lopez didn't win those rounds, but points were won based SOLEY on his activity and less about the punches that actually landed clean. Too many times Teofimo was just trying to land by cover huge amounts of the ring just to "punch" Loma into the ropes while his daddy screamed like every single punch landed.

To me, he's literally fits the glass cannon type of fighter. Average punch resistance and good offense. Dude will need to improve his defense as he moves up because when Lomachenko decided to fight he pretty much landed at will.

To all the detractors claiming Lomachenko doesn't deserve a rematch, sure, but real boxing fans KNOW that the winner of the rematch is the one who adjusts bests. Bet they won't tell you who did just that.

Toss a bum shoulder on top of rigged scorecards and you have a case for overhyped

I wouldn't go there with respect to saying the Loma fight was closer... I think at the end of the day Lopez beat Loma...Lets not forget that most people are casual fans and forget that success in the ring is a two part, not a one part process: For Lopez to stop Loma he had to STOP Loma from being succesful, and capitolize on rounds where Loma was made to feel "risk averse." Also, there is no reason for Lopez to do a rematch with Loma... If he wins, then it is not the victory it was the first time, and does not really propel him, and if he losses, then he really kind of gets put out of the mix for the topof the dog heap involving the Quadfecta of Haney, Garcia, Tank and himself. Why do that fight? Let Loma show how great he is and stop sputtering in the early rounds.

What I really like about your post is your analysis of potential problems for Lopez. I have heard very few posters here discuss Lopez's power with the sobering reality that he is a big kid and will grow... If his power does not carry up will he become the next Juan Ma? I tend to take a generous view of "talent" because, as I am trying to convince another poster on another thread... talent is like a scooter to the long view... A Scooter is great in traffic it will beat most any car fromthe light change... But does that make it a BMW? a Ford lightening? Many fighters come in with talent... Many talented fighters (ultimately) don't look talented coming in... and quite a few talented fighters never really live up to their supposed level of talent.

For example, A fighter with no power, questionable fundamentals (moved straight back) but great speed for a heavy weight managed to beat Liston. Ali was hardly considered a prodigy at the time... and fighters like Nando (fernando Vargas) Judah... were very talented and had decent careers, but never became great. And then you have guys like marciano, who had a lack of talent, but became great. To my way of thinking Lopez has distinguished himself, shown talent... but that does not indicate much in the long run, all these guys will have to show developmentally and progressively that they are indeed potentially great fighters.

[-DSG-]

Lol i guess that makes Loma a bum

[Zaryu]

It seems like he's only been knocked out once in sparring. Am I missing something?

[War Room]

You can’t have it both ways dude. You are trying to crap on Teo like you are some know it all boxing guy because you claim to have sparred pros before. LOLRME.

Fact is both are similar situations. Floyd got handled in sparring by an inferior guy and so did Teo. Big ***ing deal dude. It happens

Of course I can have it any way the data suggests. Walking in off the street from a several month vacation is completely different than an active fighter ACTIVE who got sparked. Floyd never got sparked and wasn't active. BIG FCUKING DIFFERENCE YOU DAFT CVNT.

Lol i guess that makes Loma a bum

He's not that good against guys his size or bigger and those are facts. His best wins are against men greatly smaller than him, facts. Lomo isn't what we consider to be a great fighter. He's good, sure against smaller guys.

[Shadoww702]

That is completely different. Floyd walked into a gym in plain clithes after a several month of vacation with no training. That wasn't a scheduled session and Floyd didn't get knocked out or dropped. His output was crap and he looked bad. Completely different and terrible comparison.

If you never boxed with a winning record, YDKSAB. Simple.

You learn the other guys tricks in sparring and if you starch him, you're probably going to starch him in the pro's if you been on the straight and narrow.

It's like losing, once you learn how to lose, you have a propensity to do it over and over. if you never lost, you fight different because your wiring is different. But at the end of the day, if you never boxed with a winning record you would never know this.

How do I find that R. GARCIA video? My buddy hates Ryan. He would get a kick out of it.

[Dallas' 4 Eva]

I get you OP, know exactly what you talking about. Sparring outside your gym is a big deal and there were unwritten rules in place about not talking about what happened in sparring. There is a reason Spence got kicked out the Mayweather gym and they didn't invite him back and it's cause he gave them boys the blues. Sparring is taken serious whether you think it has an effect on an actual fight or not.