Some guy told me Canelo is the best, but then said that he cant rank Pacquiao highly because he is a PED cheat lol

[hectari]

This is why i tell you people don't care about steroids, canelo failed two drug tests, and this guy doesn’t care, yet Pacquiao who has never failed a test is a ped cheat.

they only care about labeling pac a ped cheat to discredit him, they don’t wanna give that little bitty asian man credit and want to diminish his greatness.


i personally dont care if someone busted dirty its just funny seeing some people say this and not realize how it makes them look.

[Robbie Barrett]

Would Canelo have failed a test if he avoided VADA like Pacquiao does?

[paulf]

Nah.

No one outside of NSB knows about Canelos failed test. Canelo has yet to reach the level of fame Pac and Floyd were at.

Everyone on the planet knows the Pac-Mayweather fight took years to make because Pac refused the drug test. It made mainstream sports news for YEARS.

For the record, I think Pac did it clean, but when he pulled out of the negotiations over the testing a decade ago he knew this would follow him forever. It will.

[#1PaperChamp]

This is why i tell you people don't care about steroids, canelo failed two drug tests, and this guy doesn’t care, yet Pacquiao who has never failed a test is a ped cheat.

they only care about labeling pac a ped cheat to discredit him, they don’t wanna give that little bitty asian man credit and want to diminish his greatness.

i personally dont care if someone busted dirty its just funny seeing some people say this and not realize how it makes them look.

It is very, very, very, very, very likely (maybe, 90-95%) that Pacquiao has cheated in his career. His avoidance of drug testing was a joke and only his rabid fans ate it up. The dude literally said he couldn't do RANDOM DRUG TESTING (the hallmark of OLYMPIC testing) because he was:

- afraid of needles
- giving blood weakened him
- needed a cutoff date without giving blood

And the Pacman ran with those excuses FOR YEARS...and the public LET HIM GET AWAY with it because they hate black people (Floyd). Meanwhile Floyd kept doing OSDT versus all his opponents including Mosley, Ortiz, JMM (peepee man LOL), Canelo, etc.

Silver lining? Pacman got KTFO6 by a probable drug cheat AND...when Pac was finally ready to fight Floyd? Pac submitted to OSDT

LMFAO.....

Canelo tested positive for clenbuterol. It is very su****ious and it is probable he was using PEDs. He has since joined the WBC365 and done OSDT without 1 positive test...and he's been as dominant or more dominant than he's ever been.

It must also be mentioned that when Canelo tested positive it marked the ONLY TIMES he's been tested in Mexico and there is an actual beef problem in Mexico as the agricultural industry uses clenbuterol in their cattle...make of that what you may.

Similarly, I believe the rules have since changed and higher values are needed (beyond what is "normal" for ingestion of meat) to fail a drug screen for clenbuterol

[#1PaperChamp]

Would Canelo have failed a test if he avoided VADA like Pacquiao does?

His own trainer (Ariza) jokingly said, "Manny doesn't even know what I put in his shakes". This was during Manny's initial WW run where he carried/increased power, carried/increased speed, carried/increased stamina while moving up 2 weight classes. It's basically never happened in the sport of boxing, EVER before, but sure keep telling me how clean Manny was

[SplitSecond]

Would Canelo have failed a test if he avoided VADA like Pacquiao does?

So only VADA can catch people? He did random “olympic style” testing for Thurman. That was good enough for certain others.

[Robbie Barrett]

So only VADA can catch people? He did random “olympic style” testing for Thurman. That was good enough for certain others.

Many of his fights have no random testing. He chooses when to do it. Makes him look guilty as hell.

[SplitSecond]

Many of his fights have no random testing. He chooses when to do it. Makes him look guilty as hell.

How many? Since Rios only two of his fights have had no random testing.

[Robbie Barrett]

How many? Since Rios only two of his fights have had no random testing.

"Only" doesn't matter how many. It's now standard to have random testing and he has a problem with it, cherry picking when to do it. That's a huge flag. He's training in the Philippines now, who's testing him? Not US commissions because they have no authority outside the US.

[SplitSecond]

"Only" doesn't matter how many. It's now standard to have random testing and he has a problem with it, cherry picking when to do it. That's a huge flag. He's training in the Philippines now, who's testing him? Not US commissions because they have no authority outside the US.

How is he cherrypicking when to do it? Not two fights ago he agreed to USADA and then VADA vs Broner, before doing the NSAC’s random testing for Thurman. And where do you get the idea they aren’t testing him in the Philippines, you have confirmation of some kind? I’ve seen VADA’s Margaret Goodman confirm they tested him in the Philippines for Rios.