Comments Thread For: Frank Warren Reacts To John Fury's Anger Over Wilder Trilogy Fight

[billeau2]

If there was a clause in the contract saying it could be terminated in December, then postponements wouldn't get rid of it, because it was only there in the first place to give both sides an "out" if the process was dragging on too long. Use your brain, ffs.

If so... you think one side could act unilaterally? Why have a contract in the first place? If one party has an option to stop the contract with no reprecussions? Any clause would have been a legal battle similar to arbitration except Arum would probably have less leverage.

[billeau2]

People: Nobody is at fault here lol... It doesn't matter if you think Hinkle is a snake, Eddie is a snake, Arum is a snake, Warren is a snake... All these individuals act in the best interest of their fighter and will do and say things that give the appearance that the other side has wronged them. Thats what they are supposed to do! The smartest people are Wilder's because they basically kept their mouths shut... thats an opinion.

Getting out of contracts is never a magical clause... otherwise why bind two parties to an agreement in the first place? Eddie has every incentive in the world to tell the guilable that poor Joshua and him were swindled because there was a way for Arum to get out of the contract way back when... But its a legal impossability. Wilder would have had to be paid off, compensated then, and there was no chance for arbitration to rule for the other side.

[davefromvancouv]

Awesome Post! Absolute correct!!! And if people would just LOOK at the REASONING, as you did... And to think that when the fight was postponed... Arum, would want to start a legal pleading to terminate fight... why? Arum would, as any smart legal professional would do, wait until he had leverage... the leverage to do a buy out, the leverage to win, or lose and arbitration... etc.

So, not only was there no magic termination clause... there was no reason to create a legal battle at the time, and no real leverage to offer anything to the other party,. So what does Satanic Bob do? Get the fight set up...knowing it will either take place sooner, or later. If Fury forced, he fights Wilder first, they fight in December... What else would a rational person do in this situation? Knowing that Satanic Bob works for Fury.

Yup. The fight can still happen even if Fury and Joshua lose their next fights. But hopefully they come to their senses and have the fight in the UK at Wembley.

Dave... Of Robbie calls you a clown best know you are barking up the right tree.

Exactly! You know you're over the target...

One of the best responses I've received is when I provided sources that detailed the postponement plans from Arum and ESPN, and the response I got was that it never actually happened so it's fake evidence.

Robbie, like his kid brother Redeemer have no knowledge about contracts. To Robbie "poof! I don't wanna do what the contract says wah wah!" then the other person says "ohhh...ok no problem!" It does not even occur to them that the reason for a contract in the first place, is to provide for the other party trying to get out of their obligation. How ****** can you be? Well Redeemer showed what might be a limit... and Robbie is a close second.

They wanted to freeze Wilder out so badly that they latched onto anything that would explain what their reality has been for the last 6 months...

[andocom]

You think this clause was a magic "get out of jail card" like you get in a monopoly game? Really? Do you know anything about how one gets out of a contract? There are substantial penalties. You have to satisfy the aggreived party! Arum would have had the same situation he had at arbitration with one exception: There would be no leverage: With the arbitration one could make a deal for step aside based on the possibility that the ruling came down for Fury. Think man!

If you ever have gone to court, been involved with a contract dispute, most times things are settled before it comes to the judge... provided one side can get some leverage. Arum had no leverage to exersize this clause... Think it through and it will make sense.

What magic get out of jail card are you talking about? Nothing magic about a contract clause which stipulates required timeframes and dispute notification procedures.

If you've never seen a contract along the lines of: X must be performed by specified date, if not party A has the right to remedy or termination you've probably never looked at a contract.

[kafkod]

What's more snake-like than trying to slither your way in between two fighters contractually obligated to fight each other, and being in support of such an action?

Hearn was loving the prospect of freezing Wilder out and got burned. Now he's trying to pin the blame on Arum, but Hearn had lawyers too. He knew that Fury-Joshua could be scrapped by the Wilder arbitration, but assured everyone it wasn't a problem. Everybody who was on board with the steal ran with it and ridiculed anybody who said otherwise.

Hearn also knew he couldn't make Fury-Joshua official, otherwise he would be liable. So every two weeks, every weekend, he would tease an announcement. There are a lot of people who are pissed off at Hearn right now. So he brings up this garbage story about Arum refusing to terminate the contract in December so he can shift the blame to Arum, knowing full well it was never an option because of the legal mess that would ensue.

I'm trying my best to understand where you're coming from here.

You seem to be saying a lot of contradictory things at the same time. Like ... Eddie Hearn knew Fury/AJ couldn't be signed because of Wilder's arbitration case, but he still tried to get it signed to freeze Wilder out. Please explain how Eddie could freeze Wilder out by making a fight that he knew couldn't be made?

In what way do you think Eddie Hearn got burned? A lot of people are pissed off because a fight they really wanted to see isn't going to happen. But nobody is blaming Eddie for that except a few guys like you, who blame him for everything, whatever he does. If you want to gloat about Eddie being played by Bob Arum, then go ahead. But don't forget that Arum also played the fans, the media, and even Tyson Fury himself, according to Tyson's dad. Most people out there know the difference between a liar and a person who got played by a liar, even if you don't.

[kafkod]

If so... you think one side could act unilaterally? Why have a contract in the first place? If one party has an option to stop the contract with no reprecussions? Any clause would have been a legal battle similar to arbitration except Arum would probably have less leverage.

Yes, one side can obviously act unilaterally.

If 2 guys sign contracts to fight each other on or before a certain date, and one guy won't be ready in time, because of illness, injury, whatever, the other guy doesn't have to wait around for him any longer than the date specified. In other words, he can unilaterally decide to go in a different direction. He doesn't need the other side's permission to do that.

Fury and Wilder's trilogy contract originally called for them to fight each other by the end of July 2020. That deadline was extended to October by mutual agreement because of an injury to Wilder. There was then another mutually agreed extension, which seems to have been to December, because of the Covid crisis.

Extensions to contracts have to be mutually agreed. If one side doesn't agree to an extension, then that's it, the contract is void. It looks like both sides agreed to extend the December deadline because of a clash with football dates, or whatever. But they didn't have to extend it. Either side could have opted out at that point, which is what Hearn and John Fury were talking about.