Comments Thread For: Luis Ortiz: Usyk is Too Small, Anthony Joshua Should Fight Me!

[_Rexy_]

100% agreed with this. The mando was lingering already. Now this sorts everything out. If Team Usyk is demanding too much it would be because Team Joshua wants that ridiculous “Rematch clause” even doe Usyk is a mandatory challenger.

That's exactly it right there. The only reason to keep this negotiating is that rematch clause.

[Boxing Goat]

I am not backtracking unless you have a comprehension problem. I said, AJ ko'ing Usyk in the expectation while the other way round would be an upset. Upset happens when something that is unexpected occurs. So, yes, I put the probability of AJ winning at 80+%, so it is almost a foregone conclusion.

Usyk's only fought two low-level opponents professionally at HW which isn't much of a "career" as such at HW. What he can do is yet to be seen. From the little that we saw (2 fights), he did not look impressive at all. Usyk's a great CW fighter but looked average at best at the HW division.

Stop comparing his CW resume because he ain't fight a small CW. He is fighting a big, strong, elite HW champ.

Oh, you're not? Here is your original post:

Ortiz is right that Joshua-Usyk is a mismatch. But he blew it (or his team did) when they were offered a fight. Having said that, Eddie did mention Ortiz and, to be honest, Joshua would need a partner if/when he decides to break into the US market. His last "launch" did not go very well. With Miller out, Hearn would need a name to fight in the US, perhaps before the trilogy.

One thing is for sure, Eddie needs a plan for Joshua outside of the Fury fight for that is never guranteed. If Joshua-Fury/Wilder happens, great. Otherwise, they need a good plan B. Ortiz fits into that if it happens without a year. Otherwise, he may be too old for any realistic challenge himself.

And then you said......

I know boxing enough to understand what is the expectation and what would be an upset. Usyk beating AJ would be an upset rather than the expectation. Surely, Usyk ain't expected to get KO'ed in the first round but he is expected to get KO'ed in the fight. Even if he doesn't, pretty unlikely he wins a decision over Joshua in the UK.

So, there's no reading comprehension issues at all as you clearly changed what you said from there being a foregone conclusion to the fight simply having a favorite and an under dog. Did you think boxing fans aren't aware of that? So back to my original statement: If you think that fight is an easy night for AJ then you're not too astute in boxing. Usyk is twice the fighter that Ruiz is and you know what happened to AJ there. He got pummeled when he went for Ruiz and then ran for dear life in the rematch.

[Boxing Goat]

You said it was a huge mismatch, now you're saying Joshua is "expected to win." Not sure what it is if it's not backtracking.

100%

Thanks for the back up

[Zelda]

Oh, you're not? Here is your original post:



And then you said......



So, there's no reading comprehension issues at all as you clearly changed what you said from there being a foregone conclusion to the fight simply having a favorite and an under dog. Did you think boxing fans aren't aware of that? So back to my original statement: If you think that fight is an easy night for AJ then you're not too astute in boxing. Usyk is twice the fighter that Ruiz is and you know what happened to AJ there. He got pummeled when he went for Ruiz and then ran for dear life in the rematch.

At what point is something a foregone conclusion or mismatch? You're selectively highlighting portions of my post to suit you. In my post where I say AJ is expected to win, I also mention that I fancy his chances at 80+%. That is my opinion and you may have your own threshold where you call something a mismatch. So, to me it is almost a foregone conclusion unless an upset occurs.

Ruiz may have floored Joshua but he is a natural HW, while Usyk is not. His last and only two outings against HWs are anything but impressive. Usyk might gain weight but bringing the performance and power to go along with it is a whole new thing. Not everyone is a Holyfield and he too took his sweet time to adjust to it. This is a mandatory, I understand and respect that. But don't try to hype it as something highly competitive.

[P4Pdunny]

man, you literally got there before me. Ortiz need to sit down somewhere, how many opportunities does he need? He also already turned down the AJ smoke

[OnlytheTruth]

Exactly. And I don't care for the narrative that it's a mismatch so Joshua is gonna drop the belt to find a bigger fight. If anyone actually believes that, they need to leave this sport immediately.

I agree, although Usyk did only manage to get the shot because of a ****** rule.
It might look good on paper to him but losing to AJ will likely signal the last big money he can make in his career and it would be better not to be embarrassed - not that I think he will - but if AJ gets him out early, he'll be resigned to gatekeepers like Whyte or Ortiz, which isn't a good way to go out considering he was in a lot of P4P lists at Cruiser.

I'd prefer he took a gatekeeper THEN fight AJ - it would make for a better fight overall.

[PotentialToast]

Ortiz's best shot as a pay day is to roll the dice for the IBF mandatory against Hrgovic (assuming Yoka and Ruiz turn it down). Actually, Ruiz's best chance to get another shot also.

[_Rexy_]

I agree, although Usyk did only manage to get the shot because of a ****** rule.
It might look good on paper to him but losing to AJ will likely signal the last big money he can make in his career and it would be better not to be embarrassed - not that I think he will - but if AJ gets him out early, he'll be resigned to gatekeepers like Whyte or Ortiz, which isn't a good way to go out considering he was in a lot of P4P lists at Cruiser.

I'd prefer he took a gatekeeper THEN fight AJ - it would make for a better fight overall.

I actually like the rule. People have only turned on it calling it out lately because of Usyk, but nobody gives a **** when its Shakur Stevenson, Kosei Tanaka, Vasyl Lomachenko, Terrance Crawford etc. testing themselves and challenging the champion above them. I like it. It's just not something we've seen this high in the divisions before, with the highest (off the top of my head) being when BJS got to win the vacant 168 strap.

As for people calling this a "cash out" or saying he should take a few fights first; He's 34 and has been mandatory for 2 years now. He's gonna wait for AJ to take a soft touch, and then two Fury fights? He might be 37 by the time that happens. As for it being called a "Cash Out" (not saying you have called it that, but i've seen that term thrown around a lot) Being the heavyweight champion of the world is the top ****ing goal. That's not cashing out, that's literally trying to achieve your lifetime goal. If you're not trying to become heavyweight champion of the world, **** you even doing?

[_Rexy_]

Ortiz's best shot as a pay day is to roll the dice for the IBF mandatory against Hrgovic (assuming Yoka and Ruiz turn it down). Actually, Ruiz's best chance to get another shot also.

Have Yoka or Ruiz been approached yet? I assume with Hunter turning it down, they just go down the rankings from where he was, or do they go back to the top? I've lost hope and am expecting some bull**** Hrgovic/Demsey McKean or Hrgovic/Zhilei Zhang type of bull****

[Boxing Goat]

At what point is something a foregone conclusion or mismatch? You're selectively highlighting portions of my post to suit you. In my post where I say AJ is expected to win, I also mention that I fancy his chances at 80+%. That is my opinion and you may have your own threshold where you call something a mismatch. So, to me it is almost a foregone conclusion unless an upset occurs.

Ruiz may have floored Joshua but he is a natural HW, while Usyk is not. His last and only two outings against HWs are anything but impressive. Usyk might gain weight but bringing the performance and power to go along with it is a whole new thing. Not everyone is a Holyfield and he too took his sweet time to adjust to it. This is a mandatory, I understand and respect that. But don't try to hype it as something highly competitive.

You said those things, not me and it doesn't matter in the course of what you said, when you said them. You later backtracked because you know that you were talking nonsense.

Now own up to it and move on with your life.

That said, Usyk is a bigger threat to AJ than Ruiz was by quite a bit and anyone with any real boxing knowledge knows that.

It's apparent that you're not in that category.