I'm a Fury fan but

[Toffee]

It's not Fury's fault that the arbitrator ruled in Wilder's favor.

Correct.

The fault was that he (or his representative) was breaching a contract. That's what put a hold on his, Wilder's, Joyce and Usyk's careers. And many others down the chain.

[andocom]

I know. It's like people live in an alternate reality where money, laws, and other objective factors simply do not exist. Like boxers are in high school and must fight the other tough guys for cred.

I do think the fact Fury signed to fight Joshua pretty much shows he'd do it, if he really didn't want to fight Joshua the rematch clause was the perfect excuse, no need to go to arbitration etc, its literally the perfect excuse.

However if it is actually true that Arum/Fury could have terminated the agreement in December but didn't, it does raise questions, I tend to think its incompetence on Arum's part though.

[Leonbus2]

I do think the fact Fury signed to fight Joshua pretty much shows he'd do it, if he really didn't want to fight Joshua the rematch clause was the perfect excuse, no need to go to arbitration etc, its literally the perfect excuse.

However if it is actually true that Arum/Fury could have terminated the agreement in December but didn't, it does raise questions, I tend to think its incompetence on Arum's part though.

Makes sense. Obviously if we had all the information we'd know for sure. But I think you make a solid point.

[Eff Pandas]

I'm not convinced Fury knew what was up. I mean why does Fury sign the contract to fight AJ if he's not going to fight AJ? I think Bob mighta been on his own sh^t here idk.

Randomly is there any chance Fury can be sued for signing a deal when he can't fulfill it? I suspect there could be damages involved in Fury (& maybe Bob if he signed anything) being on the hook for some expenses or damages or w/e in legalese could be in play in a lawsuit for failing to fulfill an obligation or pretending they could fulfill an obligation & wasting one parties side. Idk just thinking outloud, could be nothing there with that, but it kinda seems like a situation where there could be lawsuits not unlike Floyd suing over that failed Logan Paul date/venue situation.

[deathofaclown]

What’s Fury supposed to do? Go against the judge and get sued?

Hearn said Fury signed the contract to fight AJ.

[andocom]

I'm not convinced Fury knew what was up. I mean why does Fury sign the contract to fight AJ if he's not going to fight AJ? I think Bob mighta been on his own sh^t here idk.

Randomly is there any chance Fury can be sued for signing a deal when he can't fulfill it? I suspect there could be damages involved in Fury (& maybe Bob if he signed anything) being on the hook for some expenses or damages or w/e in legalese could be in play in a lawsuit for failing to fulfill an obligation or pretending they could fulfill an obligation & wasting one parties side. Idk just thinking outloud, could be nothing there with that, but it kinda seems like a situation where there could be lawsuits not unlike Floyd suing over that failed Logan Paul date/venue situation.

I could definitely imagine some legal exposure from various parties, maybe Fury against Arum (or Arum's legal rep) if they straight up screwed up getting out of the rematch clause, if Arum's rationale was "We didn't explicitly extinguish the rematch officially because we thought it had expired" and the arbitrator cited that as the reason for granting a rematch (just speculating), thats the type of thing legal counsel get sued for all the time, they screwed up & cost their client millions, then their professional indemnity insurance could have to pay.

Less so from Hearn against Arum I would think, Hearn is on record as knowing their was ongoing arbitration, he may have relied on representations from Arum that it wouldn't be an issue, but that sounds more like an opinion than fact.

Saudis would probably be in the strongest position legally, but doubt they would take any action, as with any of them, the upside from suing would be measured against the downside of poisoning the relationship, the Saudis probably still want the fight, Fury wants to work with Arum etc.

[Mr Giggles]

I don’t know, he did sign for a fight with AJ, and if that judge didn’t force a fight with wilder then he would be fighting AJ right now.

Fury is overrated as a boxer, he’s rubbish, BUT one thing I credit him with is the fact he fights anyone anywhere and has a lot of courage.

[andocom]

I don’t know, he did sign for a fight with AJ, and if that judge didn’t force a fight with wilder then he would be fighting AJ right now.

Fury is overrated as a boxer, he’s rubbish, BUT one thing I credit him with is the fact he fights anyone anywhere and has a lot of courage.

Not sure about the fights anyone anywhere, sure he fought Wlad in Germany and Wilder in the US, but he has had his share of no shows, Wlad rematch, agreed to fight Whyte then bailed a couple days later.

Boxers love to talk that "I'll fight anyone anywhere" talk, which I always find a bit silly from a professional, they always leave out the "if it makes sense for my career".

You'll fight anyone huh, OK here's a 10% split contract -> I aint signing that, the deals gotta be right.
You'll fight anyone huh, OK here's a dude from nowhereistan, 2 & 12 guy no one has heard of that can't seel a ticket - > I aint signing that, whats he do for me?

With enough money on the line I think any boxers fight anyone anywhere, even if it means selling their "0".

[Earl-Hickey]

I think Fury and AJ would both fight each other but I don't think Arum and Warren want that fight.

It's weird to me because I think Fury would win pretty easily but there is maybe a 20% risk factor and I think those guys see that as too big a risk.

Boxing politics are at the fore of this and there's a lot of people in the sport who are DESPERATE to hinder Eddie Hearn in any way.

I think Fury is on his last fight with Arum, he definatley shouldn't re sign, if him, AJ and Hearn sit down over a coffee they will finalise a deal in 15 minutes that works for everyone imho.

[Eff Pandas]

I could definitely imagine some legal exposure from various parties, maybe Fury against Arum (or Arum's legal rep) if they straight up screwed up getting out of the rematch clause, if Arum's rationale was "We didn't explicitly extinguish the rematch officially because we thought it had expired" and the arbitrator cited that as the reason for granting a rematch (just speculating), thats the type of thing legal counsel get sued for all the time, they screwed up & cost their client millions, then their professional indemnity insurance could have to pay.

Less so from Hearn against Arum I would think, Hearn is on record as knowing their was ongoing arbitration, he may have relied on representations from Arum that it wouldn't be an issue, but that sounds more like an opinion than fact.

Saudis would probably be in the strongest position legally, but doubt they would take any action, as with any of them, the upside from suing would be measured against the downside of poisoning the relationship, the Saudis probably still want the fight, Fury wants to work with Arum etc.

Maybe Arum needs to be careful going to the middle east. Might end up chopped up like that reporter for pissing off the wrong super rich guy.