Present-day Canelo would CRUSH any version of Floyd!

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  • F l i c k e r
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    #61
    Canelo really doesn't even beat Andre Ward at 168.

    I'd give him a slight edge over unified-Carl Froch but just barely.

    But Andre Ward at 168 is essentially what Floyd would be if he was a natural MW+. Albeit, slightly less boxing IQ, slightly less refined fundamentals, and slightly less like-for-like measurements (Floyd has long ass arms for a guy barely 5'8. Longer than Andre Ward's at that).

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    • War Room
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      #62
      Originally posted by HENNY

      Tyson lost to lesser opponents from a skill perspective than Canelo. In no world does any 168 fighter that's identical to Buster Douglas beats Canelo.

      Canelo could fight backing up better as well. Tyson also has shown tendencies to lose his mind when getting bullied (biting, pulling arms, etc), and Canelo is more efficient in the same scenario. He was getting pushed back by GGG in the first fight and he was using efficient defense and picking his shots. Tysons career was derailed quite a bit though, so I'm sure we never saw him peak. But, based on body of work, I would say Canelo has more overall skill from a boxing and mental perspective
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      • pasawayako
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        #63
        LMAO. there's no way that canelo destroy floyd specially in his prime because floyd was just too good to duck every threat oppoenent and floyd will surely be on a temporary vacation if canelo would try to ask floyd for a fight.

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        • Thuglife Nelo
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          #64
          I’ve noticed many Canelo haters had said “Canelo was prime with 40+ fights.” “Canelo was green when he fought Floyd.” Why do fans never acknowledge 152 but it’s easy to acknowledge DLH’s weight with PAC?

          why do fans shy away from facts? Look at Linares vs Haney. They’re 7lbs away from their 135 fight at 14 days away. Why is it hard to understand that pros go through a weight calibration process to the dime?

          Floyd fans claim that 2-3lbs wouldn’t have made a difference if Floyd fought Canelo and agree that Floyd said it was “easy.” If that’s the case, why didn’t Floyd just do 154 with Canelo? What is the logical and random need for 152? For anybody who acknowledges 152 acknowledges what?

          the fact of the matter is that Floyd is a liar. There’s no way that a guy like Floyd would duck the biggest PPV rematches for “easy” Middleweight Lineal bragging rights. Floyd didn’t want to acknowledge a bigger 155 Cotto. It’s obviously apparent.

          this corroborates that Canelo prime for prime would beat Floyd. Floyd fans like to move Floyd FAR AWAY to his lowest weight and Canelo furthest as well. Lol. Floyd was already at 147 by Canelo’s age. Canelo by ratio fights bigger guys, no excuses. Floyd ducked Paul Williams, Margarito, Martinez. A “Prime” fresh Welterweight Floyd couldn’t beat Martinez even if he requested a catchweight that even Martinez acknowledged?

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          • Thuglife Nelo
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            #65
            Originally posted by F l i c k e r
            Canelo really doesn't even beat Andre Ward at 168.

            I'd give him a slight edge over unified-Carl Froch but just barely.

            But Andre Ward at 168 is essentially what Floyd would be if he was a natural MW+. Albeit, slightly less boxing IQ, slightly less refined fundamentals, and slightly less like-for-like measurements (Floyd has long ass arms for a guy barely 5'8. Longer than Andre Ward's at that).
            Canelo operates at a much higher skill than Froch or Kessler ever did. I like their throw back fights but they are way sloppier with technique and fundamentals than Canelo, just sloppy. Canelo would dissect both Froch and Kessler. Froch even recently admitted Canelo would be significantly tough to beat and Froch rarely says such things. That’s because Canelo continues at 168 and Froch can’t dismiss consistency as he continues to look better each fight. A 168 Ward is too thin for Canelo. Nobody in the Super 6 would beat Canelo now

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            • BodyBagz
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              #66
              Originally posted by Thuglife Nelo
              this corroborates that Canelo prime for prime would beat Floyd.
              Where is May at HIS best ?

              He obviously was an exceptional WW+, BUT, I would not say WW+ was his best fighting weight. His KO ratio absolutely plummeted to nearly nil. BELOW WW, he had everything, even with brittle hands.

              Whoopdeedoo, this Nelo could ''beat'' any May....May may still be able to avoid Nelo the same way he did in their 1st fight. Pitty pat and pivot. This Nelo would NOT destroy today's May. Power is not the key to beating him. Win a MD, possible.

              Here's another ''fair'' fantasy fight -
              Pre HW Usyk > This version of Nelo

              Cmon, now

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              • BodyBagz
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                #67
                ''Newsflash !!!! Prime Fury beats any version of May !!!!''

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                • Thuglife Nelo
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                  #68
                  Originally posted by BodyBagz

                  Where is May at HIS best ?

                  He obviously was an exceptional WW+, BUT, I would not say WW+ was his best fighting weight. His KO ratio absolutely plummeted to nearly nil. BELOW WW, he had everything, even with brittle hands.

                  Whoopdeedoo, this Nelo could ''beat'' any May....May may still be able to avoid Nelo the same way he did in their 1st fight. Pitty pat and pivot. This Nelo would NOT destroy today's May. Power is not the key to beating him. Win a MD, possible.

                  Here's another ''fair'' fantasy fight -
                  Pre HW Usyk > This version of Nelo

                  Cmon, now
                  You guys completely forget what P4P is. You don’t expect Inoue to fight Spence. This is a clash of styles. Floyd’s best defensive ability was his post age ring IQ. PBF was more daring and wreckless and was caught with punches against guys nowhere near the level or power as Canelo. Floyd at 37 wasn’t operating defensively as Floyd at 23. Canelo likes to slug if you want to, I think a 23 year old Canelo stops a 23 year old Floyd. Canelo was already countering in the Floyd fight catching him which is why Floyd kept the distance.

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                  • BodyBagz
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                    #69
                    Originally posted by Thuglife Nelo

                    You guys completely forget what P4P is. You don’t expect Inoue to fight Spence. This is a clash of styles. Floyd’s best defensive ability was his post age ring IQ. PBF was more daring and wreckless and was caught with punches against guys nowhere near the level or power as Canelo. Floyd at 37 wasn’t operating defensively as Floyd at 23. Canelo likes to slug if you want to, I think a 23 year old Canelo stops a 23 year old Floyd. Canelo was already countering in the Floyd fight catching him which is why Floyd kept the distance.
                    Be that as it ''may'', Floyd The Small was a more complete fighter and his KO % proves it

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                    • dan_cov
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                      #70
                      Honestly not so convinced he would despite the size advantage.
                      I think Floyd (close to prime) just flatout has his number.

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