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  • billeau2
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    #51
    Originally posted by LarryX....
    What do they have to gain from that?? you are already getting paid and already rich why risk going blind?? for what?? some idiots online who will forget you in a week or 2?? there is nothing to gain from being ******
    Unfortunately people seem to be confusing two seperate and distinct issues:
    1) the injury itself and a fighters choice regarding stopping, or continuing.
    2) The statements made by BJ Sanders to the effect of how he would fight on regardless of any injuries, or danger.

    These are two distinct issues. The statement BJ made is so ridiculous that I can't even really call him a hypocrite. I mean... If I tell someone you can shoot me 100 times and I will keep coming, who expects me to even attempt such a feat? When BJ said he would fight through anything, no one should have even taken him seriously. However getting ripped for saying such a ****** thing? calling it Karma? Sounds right to me. the heavyweight kid Dubois also showed real class and maturity.

    There is a story of a karate match with two very heated, and high level rivals. One rival scored a point with a devistating kick to the leg, which broke his rival's leg at the knee. this was a form of fighting where fighters, after a point scored would get into a position to fight for the next point. The devistated rival refused to quit, he dragged his broken leg, and went to fight on... he finished the match, PERMANENTLY crippling himself in the process to save face... My take on this story is: Ok, if the guy was single, had no kids, no one depending on himself and wanted to make a statement in a grudge match, which was not a profession (no pay), more power to him. But under any other circumstances this was a selfish thing to do.

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    • BodyBagz
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      #52
      Originally posted by sicko
      I notice boxing fans don't look at boxers like Humans, fans want to treat these guys like they're Characters on a Video Game like Fight Night. They're not allowed to have any flaws, they're not allowed to get hit, they're not allowed to get knocked down, they're not allowed to get tired, they're not allowed struggle in a match, they're not allowed to lose.
      Put yourself in the place of a prize fighting boxer. How do you handle your business ?

      Would you accept losing, getting KO'd, looking sloppy ?

      Would you not want to put on a good show if for no other reason than to make yourself marketable ?

      With the right game, even losers like Broner and Khan can make a decent living.

      Fighters have to fill seats. Just like concerts and movies. If no one wants to see them, no one will.

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      • -MEGA-
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        #53
        I’m sure Saunders would have much rather been actually knocked out than have his whole face broken like that. Dudes a warrior, give him his props.

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        • GrandpaBernard
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          #54
          You have to be different to be a world level fighter

          sure the pay and perks are nice, but they get in there out of ego and are all a bit crazy

          Most people wouldn’t risk permanent bodily harm to prove they can whoop someone’s azz

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            #55
            Listen up boys. Dubois Revenge! Dubois Revenge!

            Did Saunders say he was an ---hole after the fight for all his bs talk? Does that tell you anything about him? I doubt he will fight again. Fans will boo him out of the arena except in the UK where they will give him the red carpet.

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              #56
              Originally posted by LarryX....
              What do they have to gain from that?? you are already getting paid and already rich why risk going blind?? for what?? some idiots online who will forget you in a week or 2?? there is nothing to gain from being ******
              Not even just blind, killed.

              Imagine if Billy Joe took another shot like that in the same spot. Canelo was getting free hits from the side of BJS leading arm he couldn't see ****. Sitting duck, and Canelo had a 12 gauge. Same situation with Dubois also.

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                #57
                Originally posted by billeau2

                Unfortunately people seem to be confusing two seperate and distinct issues:
                1) the injury itself and a fighters choice regarding stopping, or continuing.
                2) The statements made by BJ Sanders to the effect of how he would fight on regardless of any injuries, or danger.

                These are two distinct issues. The statement BJ made is so ridiculous that I can't even really call him a hypocrite. I mean... If I tell someone you can shoot me 100 times and I will keep coming, who expects me to even attempt such a feat? When BJ said he would fight through anything, no one should have even taken him seriously. However getting ripped for saying such a ****** thing? calling it Karma? Sounds right to me. the heavyweight kid Dubois also showed real class and maturity.

                There is a story of a karate match with two very heated, and high level rivals. One rival scored a point with a devistating kick to the leg, which broke his rival's leg at the knee. this was a form of fighting where fighters, after a point scored would get into a position to fight for the next point. The devistated rival refused to quit, he dragged his broken leg, and went to fight on... he finished the match, PERMANENTLY crippling himself in the process to save face... My take on this story is: Ok, if the guy was single, had no kids, no one depending on himself and wanted to make a statement in a grudge match, which was not a profession (no pay), more power to him. But under any other circumstances this was a selfish thing to do.
                True

                If the doc feels a guy can't go on, even if the fighter and his corner insists that he can, you have to respect the doc.

                Then again....

                ''Corrales fought against Ring No. 1 ranked Super Featherweight Joel Casamayor. After the sixth round, the fight was stopped because of a deep cut inside of Corrales' mouth''

                His fuc king mouth !!!!

                Everyone was pissed off. IIRC, Chico was starting to take over.

                If your corner throws in the towel, the fighter ''should'' realize they did it for their guys safety.

                Most times a fighter will not want the towel thrown in. Most guys hate it when a ref calls it off.

                Most of the hate BHS is getting is due to his mouth. He wanted to play the villain ?

                If a fighter has a broken bone in his hand, a broken nose, fight goes on.
                A major bone, ankle, arm...then most times the fight is stopped and fighter doesn't get tagged with a Q.
                Supposedly, Pac fought most of the fight with May with a broken shoulder bone.

                Cotto is tagged a quitter....
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                After 11 rds of cement filled gloves, he gets tagged a quitter.

                It's a cruel sport that I feel if any of us were a pro, we would not want to be tagged a quitter.

                Question is, what would be our limit ?

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                  #58
                  Originally posted by BodyBagz

                  True

                  If the doc feels a guy can't go on, even if the fighter and his corner insists that he can, you have to respect the doc.

                  Then again....

                  ''Corrales fought against Ring No. 1 ranked Super Featherweight Joel Casamayor. After the sixth round, the fight was stopped because of a deep cut inside of Corrales' mouth''

                  His fuc king mouth !!!!

                  Everyone was pissed off. IIRC, Chico was starting to take over.

                  If your corner throws in the towel, the fighter ''should'' realize they did it for their guys safety.

                  Most times a fighter will not want the towel thrown in. Most guys hate it when a ref calls it off.

                  Most of the hate BHS is getting is due to his mouth. He wanted to play the villain ?

                  If a fighter has a broken bone in his hand, a broken nose, fight goes on.
                  A major bone, ankle, arm...then most times the fight is stopped and fighter doesn't get tagged with a Q.
                  Supposedly, Pac fought most of the fight with May with a broken shoulder bone.

                  Cotto is tagged a quitter....
                  haye3436.jpg
                  After 11 rds of cement filled gloves, he gets tagged a quitter.

                  It's a cruel sport that I feel if any of us were a pro, we would not want to be tagged a quitter.

                  Question is, what would be our limit ?
                  Good question. I will tell you this. I fought pretty intensly full contact karate, and was brought up in a fighting club... I did it, earned the respect of my peers... became a succesful teacher and highly ranked BUT I was never, and never will be a fighter, as in someone who likes to fight. It just was never my nature and I could fight on for training, but for personal glory? I never valued it,.. So, while I could bottle it, I was never driven... If nothing important was on the line, and I got hit in the face, my natural proclivity would be to stop lol... even though my training overrides that. Yet... if someone messes with friends, or family, bullies... I become a terror. That makes me resolute and willing to deal with the worse pain and suffering... It took me years to learn this about myself lol.

                  I use myself as an example because I have come to respect a psychological principle: People all have different things that motivate them. Find the thing that makes you tick, find the thing that enables your personal incredible hulk to come fourth. I believe that fighters have certain motivations. Someone like Margarito wanted to be an Aztec warrior, that incetivized him... and so he could withstand punishment to be that warrior. Other fighters have other ways they truly see themselves... and this makes them establish and test limits. My two cents....

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