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  • #11
    Originally posted by PRINCEKOOL View Post

    Mercer is better than Andy Ruiz Junior, especially at the time Lennox Lewis fought him. Morrison an Ruddock very dangerous fighters, especially Ruddock Stylistically.

    Frank Bruno was also way better than Pulev and Povetkin, at the time Lewis fought him etc.
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    Mercer had gone life and death with three journeymen in his last four fights before Lewis but he virtually fought Lewis to a draw. An old, worn Bruno outboxed Lewis over 7 rounds until his chin and gas tank inevitably failed him. Lewis was also blasted out in one punch by two fringe contenders, which has never happened to AJ. AJ lacks a name as good as Vitali Klitschko on his resume but even that has an asterisk next to it as Lewis was down by two rounds on the cards before it was stopped in the 6th on cuts. It was a tenacious performance from Lewis don't get me wrong but once again it underlined his vulnerability to being outboxed, even by men with significantly less reach.

    In 20 years time boxing fans will have a more objective view of the current era. At the time Lewis was slated, just as Wlad, Fury and AJ have at times been slated. There is a tendency among fans to want to believe that the old eras of smaller heavyweights with fewer technological and scientific advantages at their disposal (as well as a smaller world population and political-geographic barriers) are better than the current crop: how many in the 90's would have favoured Lewis to beat Ali? Very few.

    In my view this is absurd seeing as Ali had huge problems with or was beaten by chinny, featherfisted sub-cruiser journeymen Doug Jones and Henry Cooper, chinny half-blind midget featherfist cruiser Joe Frazier x3, chinny featherfist cruiser Ken Norton x3, featherfisted cruiser journeyman Jimmy Young and featherfisted cruiser bum Leon Spinks. Ali never fought anyone with remotely the combination of size, power, athleticism and skill that Lewis possessed and lost to far lesser opponents, yet 6'2, 200-220 lbs Ali and the slightly smaller Joe Louis are still considered to be better than the modern super-heavyweights who originated in the 90's and have dominated the heavyweight division ever since.

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    • #12
      Originally posted by Earl-Hickey View Post
      AJ had a good start to his career definatley but I think he peaked early and won't be around all that much longer.
      What are your reasons for saying that AJ has peaked? It is a theory I agree with though: he fought with far more confidence several years ago and an intense steroid-fuelled weight-training program and explosive power punching style takes a huge toll on the body, as David Haye found out. He's been sparked out too many times in sparring by the likes of Price, Dubois and Dawejko and been beaten to a pulp on the biggest stage by Andy Ruiz. He's also gassed out too many times in fights to have any confidence in his stamina, which deters him from taking risks. But I'm wondering if you have any other theories as to why AJ may be past his best.

      If AJ gets stopped by Fury, which I believe is the most likely outcome, this will do even more damage to his fragile confidence, add some wear and tear and keep him on the sidelines for a while. At that point he may be in a similar position to Wilder as fodder for talented and ambitious heavyweights like Joyce and Hrgovic.

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      • #13
        Joshua would have never made it in the 90s

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        • #14
          Originally posted by NEETzschean View Post

          Mercer had gone life and death with three journeymen in his last four fights before Lewis but he virtually fought Lewis to a draw. An old, worn Bruno outboxed Lewis over 7 rounds until his chin and gas tank inevitably failed him. Lewis was also blasted out in one punch by two fringe contenders, which has never happened to AJ. AJ lacks a name as good as Vitali Klitschko on his resume but even that has an asterisk next to it as Lewis was down by two rounds on the cards before it was stopped in the 6th on cuts. It was a tenacious performance from Lewis don't get me wrong but once again it underlined his vulnerability to being outboxed, even by men with significantly less reach.

          In 20 years time boxing fans will have a more objective view of the current era. At the time Lewis was slated, just as Wlad, Fury and AJ have at times been slated. There is a tendency among fans to want to believe that the old eras of smaller heavyweights with fewer technological and scientific advantages at their disposal (as well as a smaller world population and political-geographic barriers) are better than the current crop: how many in the 90's would have favoured Lewis to beat Ali? Very few.

          In my view this is absurd seeing as Ali had huge problems with or was beaten by chinny, featherfisted sub-cruiser journeymen Doug Jones and Henry Cooper, chinny half-blind midget featherfist cruiser Joe Frazier x3, chinny featherfist cruiser Ken Norton x3, featherfisted cruiser journeyman Jimmy Young and featherfisted cruiser bum Leon Spinks. Ali never fought anyone with remotely the combination of size, power, athleticism and skill that Lewis possessed and lost to far lesser opponents, yet 6'2, 200-220 lbs Ali and the slightly smaller Joe Louis are still considered to be better than the modern super-heavyweights who originated in the 90's and have dominated the heavyweight division ever since.
          Exactly. People try to make Lennox Lewis out to be some invincible character. Pre Emanuel Steward he was a very good heavyweight but no where near all time great.

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          • #15
            Originally posted by Mammoth View Post
            Joshua would have never made it in the 90s
            Classic nonsensical take. He knocks out almost every top contender from the 90s

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            • #16
              Originally posted by MikeyMike100 View Post

              Classic nonsensical take. He knocks out almost every top contender from the 90s
              Joshua would have probably died in the 90's
              dan_cov and RJJ-94-02=GOAT like this.

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              • #17
                Garbage HW era, Charles Martin lol, Parker sucks, got blasted out by Ruiz and he ran scared in the rematch even though Ruiz didn't even bother to train and was extremely out of shape. Went life and death against an old Wlad that was coming off his first loss against Fury. I thought some of Hearn and his PR team would ware off when Ruiz ktfo Joshua, but it seems the PR team is back to manufacturing Joshua as some ATG lol Joshua would've been a Frank Bruno/Michael Grant in Lewis' HW era.

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                • #18
                  Originally posted by baroidi View Post
                  Garbage HW era, Charles Martin lol, Parker sucks, got blasted out by Ruiz and he ran scared in the rematch even though Ruiz didn't even bother to train and was extremely out of shape. Went life and death against an old Wlad that was coming off his first loss against Fury. I thought some of Hearn and his PR team would ware off when Ruiz ktfo Joshua, but it seems the PR team is back to manufacturing Joshua as some ATG lol Joshua would've been a Frank Bruno/Michael Grant in Lewis' HW era.
                  Please list of all Lennox Lewis's great victories pre 97 when he started to find himself with Emanuel Steward.

                  Frank Bruno? Who he struggled with
                  Tommy Morrison who got knocked out by Ray Mercer?
                  Ray Mercer who just lost to Evander Holyfield?
                  Razor Ruddock who Mike Tyson beat 2x
                  Old Tony Tucker?
                  Can really make his resume sound bad too if you want to

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                  • #19
                    Lennox is one of the greatest to ever fight at heavy and has a real shot against anyone who ever fought at the weight head to head. Joshua is a media creation in a weak era without a single meaningful win to his name. And he’s not even the best heavyweight in the weak era. Can’t wait for Fury to open the remaining holdouts eyes.

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                    • #20
                      Originally posted by Mammoth View Post

                      Joshua would have probably died in the 90's
                      Big facts.

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