Going for the upset: Saunders beats Canelo

[deathofaclown]

You know, I remember some years ago, people speaking in absolutes, saying that Canelo would never fight Callum Smith because Smith would stop him.

I also remember people speaking in absolutes saying that Chris Algieri would outbox Errol Spence.

Absolutes of people saying that Manny would knock out Jeff Horn.

Speaking in absolutes is a funny thing, really.

So how about this.

I'm 95% confident that Billy Juice Saunders takes a clear L, courtesy of the WBC Carne Franchise Champion.

As in, you will question whether he even really trained and I'm sure NSB will scream crooked judging.

I rarely speak in absolutes, maybe sometimes as a figure of speech

I'm extremely confident BJS beats Canelo, or if not, at least I feel this forum will be flooded with posts of a controversial decision for Canelo by many posters.

Just as I was very confident Fury would be Wlad, one of the few on here.

not long to find out.

It’s part of the fun though isn’t it? That we have strong different beliefs who is going to win. I have a lot of confidence in this one. I know how good he is, just as I knew how good Fury was when people laughed at the thought of him being Wlad.

Put it this way, I truly believe fans are going to get to enjoy a very high level boxing match on Saturday. I think both can bring the best out in each other. You will see the best BJS and Canelo will have his hands full

[deathofaclown]

I don't think so. Even if he has the ability he is ill prepared with his resume. He had a lot of opportunities to take on higher level opponents but never did. Instead he stuck with B level and domestic opponents.

He'll try and stink the place out and make it to the final bell. I don't see it being a great fight.

He signed to fight GGG twice but GGG never signed. BJS even showed his texts with Tom Leoffler to prove he had signed.

He had been in talks with Canelo before Canelo went back down to 154 after the Cotto fight to avoid GGG.

He also signed to fight Canelo last year before covid and they were one day from announcing before it had ti be cancelled.

so it’s not like he opted to do anything. He’s been a bit unlucky at times not to have huge fights already. He even went to Canada as the champion to fight Lemieux so he could fight on HBO and try to force a bigger fight.

Saunders has been his own worst enemy at times for sure, but it’s a myth he’s avoided big fights, especially when he signed his half of the deal with Golovkin and proved it.

[kushking]

He signed to fight GGG twice but GGG never signed. BJS even showed his texts with Tom Leoffler to prove he had signed.

He had been in talks with Canelo before Canelo went back down to 154 after the Cotto fight to avoid GGG.

He also signed to fight Canelo last year before covid and they were one day from announcing before it had ti be cancelled.

so it’s not like he opted to do anything. He’s been a bit unlucky at times not to have huge fights already. He even went to Canada as the champion to fight Lemieux so he could fight on HBO and try to force a bigger fight.

Saunders has been his own worst enemy at times for sure, but it’s a myth he’s avoided big fights, especially when he signed his half of the deal with Golovkin and proved it.

He wasn't in talks with Canelo before he fought ggg.

[deathofaclown]

He wasn't in talks with Canelo before he fought ggg.

He was indeed, before Canelo went down to 154 to fight Smith. They were in talks with Warren about Canelo v BJS for the WBO title at 160. Then Canelo decided to go back down to fight at 154 for the WBO Instead v Liam Smith. Both Saunders and Smith were 160 and 154 WBO champs respectively and had the same promoter. But the initial talks were about the fight at 160 with BJS before they opted to go back to the 154 route.

i know it for a fact. Just as I know BJS signed a contract to fight GGG at Expo ‘17 in Kazakhstan for June 2017, but in the end GGG didn’t sign because Golden Boy wouldn’t sign Canelo v GGG if GGG fought in the June when the Canelo fight was in talks for September 2017. So GGG’s team never signed their half and waited for Canelo.

these things are all true, I’m not just spouting half baked sentences for no reason.

I’d tell you how i know but it’s not something I’d talk about publicly but it’s all true

[Ray*]

I went with BJS, but would he get the decision doe?

[kushking]

He was indeed, before Canelo went down to 154 to fight Smith. They were in talks with Warren about Canelo v BJS for the WBO title at 160. Then Canelo decided to go back down to fight at 154 for the WBO Instead v Liam Smith. Both Saunders and Smith were 160 and 154 WBO champs respectively and had the same promoter. But the initial talks were about the fight at 160 with BJS before they opted to go back to the 154 route.

i know it for a fact. Just as I know BJS signed a contract to fight GGG at Expo ‘17 in Kazakhstan for June 2017, but in the end GGG didn’t sign because Golden Boy wouldn’t sign Canelo v GGG if GGG fought in the June when the Canelo fight was in talks for September 2017. So GGG’s team never signed their half and waited for Canelo.

these things are all true, I’m not just spouting half baked sentences for no reason.

I’d tell you how i know but it’s not something I’d talk about publicly but it’s all true

If its true you should at least provide some sort of link to where it came from.(about Canelo in talks w saunders before fighting ggg.)

[deathofaclown]

If its true you should at least provide some sort of link to where it came from.(about Canelo in talks w saunders before fighting ggg.)

If I get chance, I’ll find some later

most of it was personal information but there might be something on YouTube. Obviously it’d be difficult to sift through all the Canelo v Saunders stuff, what with the fight on now and meant to be on last year.

anyway, I’m not saying they were at the stage of signing contracts. Just that the initial talks were about a fight at 160 against Saunders but then opting to go back to 154 instead. But for a short time, both GBP and Warren were in talks Canelo v BJS for September 2016.

it’s not exactly a far fetched scenario is it? Saunders was WBO MW champ and Canelo had fought for the WBC MW world title against Cotto and defended it v Khan.

So Saunders was the next fight they were looking at if they were going to stay at 160 for September 2016, because he was WBO Champ and GGG had the other belts. They then decided to drop the WBC MW title and move back to 154, because there would be too many questions of why fight BJS and not GGG if Canelo stayed at 160. But there was talks of the fight for sure.

[Combat Talk Radio]

I rarely speak in absolutes, maybe sometimes as a figure of speech

I'm extremely confident BJS beats Canelo, or if not, at least I feel this forum will be flooded with posts of a controversial decision for Canelo by many posters.

Just as I was very confident Fury would be Wlad, one of the few on here.

not long to find out.

It’s part of the fun though isn’t it? That we have strong different beliefs who is going to win. I have a lot of confidence in this one. I know how good he is, just as I knew how good Fury was when people laughed at the thought of him being Wlad.

Put it this way, I truly believe fans are going to get to enjoy a very high level boxing match on Saturday. I think both can bring the best out in each other. You will see the best BJS and Canelo will have his hands full

The difference is this.

Fury improved, vastly, from the USS Cunningham days.

Canelo has improved, vastly, from the Lara fight.

Saunders has NOT improved to a significant degree from the Eubank fight.

Even now, the only performance you can credit Saunders for is Lemieux, and that's a guy who relies on power, not skill.

[deathofaclown]

The difference is this.

Fury improved, vastly, from the USS Cunningham days.

Canelo has improved, vastly, from the Lara fight.

Saunders has NOT improved to a significant degree from the Eubank fight.

Even now, the only performance you can credit Saunders for is Lemieux, and that's a guy who relies on power, not skill.

Canelo might have improved but tell me one slick southpaw he fought since? He hasn’t, Nor has he had to train extensively for one until now. There is really no evidence to suggest Canelo is any better at dealing with Southpaws and fighters with that kind of movement now. Almost everyone he fought since then has stood right in front of him. Cannelo is the best in the world if you fight in straight lines against him. Give him some real angles and I think you will see a very different fight. Everyone has flaws.

No fighter is perfect, There’s always going to be a style everyone has problems with, no matter how much experience they gain.

People make Canelo is this unbeatable boxing master but he drops plenty of rounds too.

I think he’s going to struggle at times against Saunders. I think it will be a fight where they both have to make adjustments at times. It will be a high level fight in my opinion

I don’t say these things out of blind faith, I know enough about boxing not to do that. I love watching Canelo fight and really admire his skills but I think this is a tough fight for him and it’ll show.

[siablo14]

This is the most cerebral opponent Canelo has faced in some time. Saunders is like a mini-Tyson Fury. I don't know what Canelo is gonna make of all the head games and antics this guy does .

The fact that it's in Texas, a Canelo stronghold, means Saunders best chance at victory is a decisive knockout. No chance of that happening. But I can see Saunders frustrating Canelo with the histrionics, to the point that he gets him out of his game.

That leads to Saunders schooling Canelo to the point that the judges can't risk a robbery, and he gets a SD victory.

Don't be a fool but if you wanna do, put up some dineros.