Joshua lost to Fury on May 1, 2021

[KingGilgamesh]

You should hate Fury then. Nothing but hype since his return. Got people claiming he's great and one of the best ever FFS.

Fury is hardly much better but he beat one of the best heavyweights ever on home soil 5 years ago and then bested the second longest reigning WBC champion back-to-back. That will go down as a notable achievement. I tend to make assessments, quite frankly, on how Americans judge boxing talent because, honestly, I think they're more objective and less tolerant of blinkered nationalistic bull****. Fury is massively respected in America, Joshua is not. And we all know why. He peaked four years ago and has gone on to do absolutely nothing noteworthy since, other than lose on American soil. If this unification fight falls through then it will further cement that. Negotiations falling through with Wilder...fair enough. With Fury too? Then something is afoot.

[TMLT87]

Fury should beat AJ based on everything we've seen so far, but I just cant shake the feeling that its not going to play out as expected once the bell rings.

[Robbie Barrett]

Fury is hardly much better but he beat one of the best heavyweights ever on home soil 5 years ago and then bested the second longest reigning WBC champion back-to-back. That will go down as a notable achievement. I tend to make assessments, quite frankly, on how Americans judge boxing talent because, honestly, I think they're more objective and less tolerant of blinkered nationalistic bull****. Fury is massively respected in America, Joshua is not. And we all know why. He peaked four years ago and has gone on to do absolutely nothing noteworthy since, other than lose on American soil. If this unification fight falls through then it will further cement that. Negotiations falling through with Wilder...fair enough. With Fury too? Then something is afoot.

So you go by what Americans tell you. Don't think they had an agenda at all?

Negotiations which Wilder admitted he ducked? Those negotiations.

Everything is agreed, contracts in the hands. If someone pulls out now it's all on them.

[TMLT87]

Honestly, I just hate hype machines in general. British ones especially because they pretty much never ****ing deliver. Joshua has really flourished in a weak era and the fact that fighters just haven't really been fighting regulary these days anyway.

To be fair, Fury has had a ****ing insane amount of hype himself the past few years, its actually gotten far beyond the hype for AJ at this point as people are talking about Fury as a legitimate ATG and all time H2H kinda guy. And its based pretty much entirely on those Wilder fights, but nobody knows how good Wilder really is because hes barely fought anyone of note other than Fury.

[DaNeutral.]

The same dudes run in every time someone dares criticise Joshua.

As I keep saying, and will always say, I think deep down most Brits have slowly been coming to terms with the fact that he's mostly a marketing machine and hardly indicative of the best British boxing has to offer. I believe both Fury and Joyce beat him handily and I will say it until the cows come home. I think as time goes on and more and more people begin to steadily lose the strong belief that he's the best in the division, his rabid manfans will cling onto his image more and more.

Honestly, I just hate hype machines in general. British ones especially because they pretty much never ****ing deliver. Joshua has really flourished in a weak era and the fact that fighters just haven't really been fighting regulary these days anyway.

LOL sorry for saying good things about the current and 2 time unified Heavyweight champion of the world in a thread started by a salty hater who claims Joshua has already lost to Fury.

[deathofaclown]

The same dudes run in every time someone dares criticise Joshua.

As I keep saying, and will always say, I think deep down most Brits have slowly been coming to terms with the fact that he's mostly a marketing machine and hardly indicative of the best British boxing has to offer. I believe both Fury and Joyce beat him handily and I will say it until the cows come home. I think as time goes on and more and more people begin to steadily lose the strong belief that he's the best in the division, his rabid manfans will cling onto his image more and more.

Honestly, I just hate hype machines in general. British ones especially because they pretty much never ****ing deliver. Joshua has really flourished in a weak era and the fact that fighters just haven't really been fighting regulary these days anyway.

Fury has always been the better fighter in the eyes of boxing fans in the UK really.

Joshua’s fans are mostly people who don't
follow boxing much. I mean, his broadcaster put out a poll for the 5 best HW’s of all time and had AJ in the list . The casual fans don’t know much different and think it’s true.

I think AJ is a good fighter, he has enough solid wins to back it up but he’s been well matched too when it comes to winning belts. Never beaten a proper long reigning champ for a belt.

had Fury had stayed on the ball, it’s highly likely AJ would not have been a world champ, unless one got vacated and he got a vacant title fight.

Fury is a level above him and it will show when they fight. It’ll quickly dawn on AJ fans after a round or 2.

[Deus]

Styles make fights. Just because Fighter A can beat Fighter B quicker than Fighter C can beat Fighter B can doesn't mean that Fighter A will beat Fighter C. Would have thought that would be plain as day to actual boxing fans... apparently not?

[miniq]

AJ lost to Fury the day he met him in 2009.

He met a man who took his shots but kept coming before McCraken pulled him out of sparring, then AJ turned up to Fury's next fight as a literal fanboy.

He's mentally beaten. Long ago.

AJ Vs Wilder is the real fight

Fury is levels ahead

[KingGilgamesh]

Fury has always been the better fighter in the eyes of boxing fans in the UK really.

Joshua’s fans are mostly people who don't
follow boxing much. I mean, his broadcaster put out a poll for the 5 best HW’s of all time and had AJ in the list . The casual fans don’t know much different and think it’s true.

I think AJ is a good fighter, he has enough solid wins to back it up but he’s been well matched too when it comes to winning belts. Never beaten a proper long reigning champ for a belt.

had Fury had stayed on the ball, it’s highly likely AJ would not have been a world champ, unless one got vacated and he got a vacant title fight.

Fury is a level above him and it will show when they fight. It’ll quickly dawn on AJ fans after a round or 2.

There is no reality in which Joshua is a bad fighter. He's also probably almost entirely responsible for bringing the heavyweight division back from complete obscurity. He's been a net positive for boxing. But I will never be deluded enough to think he's the best out there.

But Fury is what I think the UK should look at as the future of boxing. Dynamic, rangey, fluid. The problem with the super heavyweight era is that as the fighters have gotten bigger and more musclebound the pure boxing has gotten significantly poorer. I like Wilder, but there is a reason why someone with such insanely poor fundamentals can likely wipe out literallly 95% of the division. I dont give a **** about what anyone says about his resume, guys like Parker and Takam would not have faired any better than the likes of, say, Arreola or Brezeale. Its because said division is lacking, he should have been punished long before Fury for his penchant for head hunting and being lazy with his effective jab. Fury, as much of a lying pillock I think he is, represents the dire need for British boxing styles to come out of the ****ing dark ages and integrate more focus on upper body movement, head movement, positioning and footwork.

[KingGilgamesh]

So you go by what Americans tell you. Don't think they had an agenda at all?

Negotiations which Wilder admitted he ducked? Those negotiations.

Everything is agreed, contracts in the hands. If someone pulls out now it's all on them.

No TBH, because the most celebrated crossover fighters in America in the last five years are (in no order) Canelo, Mayweather, Pacquio, McGregor and maybe Khabib. 4 out of 5 of them aren't even American. They respect talent, Brits largely dont. Hence why Fury spent so long being considered a joke even after he beat Wlad.

But you're the perfect example of the typical casual boxing lemming that this country has too many of. Absolutely zero eye for skillset or quality, your fanboyism is entirely based on the country where a woman's fanny was when said boxer fell out of it.