Canelo Alvarez Explains Testing Positive For Clenbuterol in Graham Bensinger Interview! Believe Him?

[R-Hand Southpaw]

Didn’t read anything… you’re LDBC.

It's okay. I already knew you were a pretender

Just like in real life youre such a loser you need some one to live through. Maybe one day Canelo will give you his personal thanks. Till them keep sucking that imaginary ****

[BodyBagz]

You clearly still ain't getting the whole process of drug elimination. Any dose of a drug will eventually become a 'trace' amount as the body eliminates it by metabolisation or excretion. We can't glean any information about how much Clenbuterol entered Canelo's system unless we know when it entered the body. Do you want more information on elimination half lives and pharmacokinetics or am I just wasting my time on something you don't want to hear?

And for reference trace in terms of detectibility thresholds for which athletes could receive a ban in other countries would be of the order 1 - 10 pico grams per ml.... Candles 'trace' was 600 - 800pg/ ml - in the range of 100x the detectability level - so whilst anything measured in picograms could be called 'trace' in laymans terms in the context of drug testing it most definitely isn't.

Also for reference when testing was done on u16 football teams visiting Mexico widespread suspected meat contamination was found but the large majority of cases tested under 200pg/ml... between a third and a quarter of that detected in Canelo's urine. Make of that what you will. Regardless it's still impossible to claim Canelo's guilt because it is theporetically quite possible that he had eaten some heavily contaminated meat in the day or two prior to his tests. It's also possible he had been on a the****utic (PED level) course of Clenbuterol and had cycled off probably in the range of two or three weeks prior to being tested. Both are possible and both are 'consistent with' the available evidence.


And once again yes mismatches are bad and I agree in many cases more dangerous than PED use (although I ain't sure pumping oneself full of PEDs is particularly good for you TBH) but the argument you're using is akin to saying that because murder is worse than **** we should decriminalise ****. It's plain ******. Absolutely I will argue against mismatches but in no way does that trivialise attempting to gain a competitive advantage by cheating. Now if you want to argue that all or some PED use should be within the rules that's a different question and one that I would happily debate, but I personally would rather see a level playing field.

But yeah sure... as I said already I don't believe Clen (which is as you say used mainly for weight loss but also to build lean muscle since it has some anabolic properties)- or in fact most other PEDs make a huge difference - but then when victory or loss in a fight can depend on the most narrow of margins even the smallest amount of extra stamina or strength can make be the difference.

Look OK I get it, maybe it just ain't an issue to you, that's OK and you're entitled to your opinion... and I agree the benefits gained ain't gonna turn Andre Berto into Floyd Mayweather but they ain't neglgiable either or else mfers wouldn't keep using the **** to try to gain an advantage, even if that advantage is just coming to the ring a bit bigger and stronger than their opponents.

Anyway... think this has run on just about long enough... I've explained my knowledge of the events surrounding Canelo's test results and my own position as best I can.. like I say I'd qyuite happily let it lie but a coupla times a year someone pops up and claims there's some kinda 'proof' of Canelo's innocence and I have to go through all this nonsense again. I ain't got it in for Canelo but I'm also always going to be at least aware of the possibility that he may have used PEDs at some points in his career. Ain't a dealbreaker - I'm still a great admirer of his craft and appreciate that he could have taken a much easier route than he did -- but it just means there'll also be a bit of a questionmark there.


EDIT: Also on the subject of mismatches we've had a few absolutely overwhelming 'Dogs come through with the W already this year... so I ain't even sure what you do about that. For me massive upsets and Cinderella stories are a key part of the narrative of Boxing but you can't have massive upsets without massive mismatches so even that subject ain't as clearcut as you're making it.

At a slight tangent I do have a big bee in my bonnet about weight cutting and rehydrating though - moreso even than PED use. That **** is dangerous for both guys in the ring and also potentially unbalancing. When I see a fight I want to see who's the best of two guys the same size not who can gain the biggest advantage from from being bigger. Down to me I'd have em weighed right before the bell but of course I can see that's completely impracticable.

Fence sitter

If trace amounts are enough to MAYBE win a guy a fight, I'd call that manifest destiny.

Let's get back to 2021, where we belong

[elfag]

he is full of it but everyone else is using PEDs so it evens out


hell go look at what happened with BJS. first he went on a rant and said that canelo should be perma banned from boxing. Then he failed his own test and said oh but that was different and it wasnt his fault blah blah blah. Now he is fighting canelo and no more mention of PEDs from him.

[Zaroku]

You missed out the most hilarious part. The Reynoso's are professional butchers

Tainted taco meat!
I don’t know how eating tainted taco meat passes into the blood stream, but Canelo is clean!

So many body builders were in TJ mexicogetting tacos!

[BodyBagz]

Do Clen haters know what it does to help a boxer ''win'' a fight ?
Will they ever apply that knowledge to a Nelo vs GGG scenario ?

Nope

[BodyBagz]

Nelo was not the only MEXICAN to have eaten that tasty meat

Why single him out as if no other Mexican boxer ate that tasty meat ?

https://www.espn.com/boxing/story/_/...ug-clenbuterol

MFers crying about levels so low, even the testers are lol'ing.

Winners win and losers lose. Fate wouldn't have it any other way.

[Citizen Koba]

Fence sitter

If trace amounts are enough to MAYBE win a guy a fight, I'd call that manifest destiny.

Let's get back to 2021, where we belong :boxing:

Ha ha I am fence sitter... generally see life in shades of grey, nuance. Few things are clear cut to my mind. Ms Koba reckons I'm classic Libra.

But yeah you're right - this one ran it's course. You're OK Mr Bagz.

[BodyBagz]

Ha ha I am fence sitter... generally see life in shades of grey, nuance. Few things are clear cut to my mind. Ms Koba reckons I'm classic Libra.

But yeah you're right - this one ran it's course. You're OK Mr Bagz.

The 1st order is on me....

https://www.mexconnect.com/articles/...s-part-i-beef/

[Thuglife Nelo]

Nelo was not the only MEXICAN to have eaten that tasty meat

Why single him out as if no other Mexican boxer ate that tasty meat ?

https://www.espn.com/boxing/story/_/...ug-clenbuterol

MFers crying about levels so low, even the testers are lol'ing.

Winners win and losers lose. Fate wouldn't have it any other way.

Again, again, notice how Canelo haters and skeptics never ever talk about WADA amending Clenbuterol in 2019?! Lol

They don’t want to question scientific authority because they don’t know what they’re talking about.

[Thuglife Nelo]

The 1st order is on me....

https://www.mexconnect.com/articles/...s-part-i-beef/

Remember that with Contador, he tested positive for trace amounts (a couple = 2 = two) days from his win in the Tour De France.

He had 50 picograms in his finding. Canelo haters would say “but but Canelo had bla-bla the amount more than Contador!”

1.) Canelo had 600 picograms the first result, and four days later he had 60 picograms ( second result).

2.) Contador had 50 picograms 2 days before his win whereas Canelo had 60 picograms 74 days away from the first GGG rematch date (fight cancelled).

so here’s the question to all Canelo haters who don’t understand investigation, who would benefit more, 50 picograms 2 days away from your competitive event or 74 days away with 60 picograms? And this is why PED forum dorks don’t understand pre, random or post testing . They have no idea about time and performance benefit. Most body builders on roids always do it. They don’t shoot up months beforehand to just show up for a flexing demonstration! Lol…

WADA scientists and videos, years before 2019 and it’s *********, we’re already talking about a 2ng threshold aka 2000 picograms. They said, WITH CONTEXT OF A CONCENTRATION CLOSE TO AN EVENT LIKE CONTADOR, would need 8000-9000 picograms for any performance enhancing benefits.

this is the PURE nature why nano traces aren’t shet with Clenbuterol.

VADA CEO Margaret Goodman: “for bovine having been given Clenbuterol, athletes would have technically have a positive result!”

this is like Covid PCR tests. If you are 1.4 and above you are “positive” and should take basic quarantine measures. So what does it mean for people who are .2 - 1.3 with PCR tests and are deemed negative?

boxing fans pretend to know what they’re talking about even if they try to come off as neutral

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