MMA fighters can't fight and that sport won't last much longer.

[nubianpiye]

Such a **** poster and look you're dissing the ufc yet you're a fan of dillian shyte he's a bum ,keep digging and reposting your uneducated drivel

Nothing you say to me matters you are irrelvant I don't know why you are even speaking. You are beneath me.

[TMLT87]

I was put off by the condenscending tone of your earlier comment. So I felt the need to address it.

I didnt mean it in a condescending way at all. My point was if you say something does X amount of views somewhere like Mexico or China its very hard to really verify that compared to something like PPV buys.

The thing that undermines you argument and highlights what a dunce you are is how weak your argument is. I didn't mention Mongolia And China Germany and the UK are financial powerhouses what do you mean? Your implication that these countries don't have the methods of tracking viewrshio numbers is laughable.

And then you pull out of your arse that perhaps these people are watching these channels in the background? lol laughable and pathetic stance and argument.

You are clearly a teenager or younger as you keep going back to youtube social media and video games as some kind of measurement instead of viewing figures which as youcan see boxing dramatically outdoes UFC and MMA in every nation not named the USA


Even UFC fight numbers are dramatically inflated as it is a private company not publically owned a number is thrown out and we are told to believe it meanwhile you are discounting countries like China the second the richest nation in the world and trying to imply they don't have metrics for tracking views this is likely because you are a bigot just like Dana

Your argument is weak non of the numbers I've given is guesswork but you are determined to disbelieve them as this allows you to continue to believe in your deluded fantasy. Boxing is bigger than MMA in every country in the world not named America and 95% of MMA fighters are low-level brawlers who couldn't make it in any other sport. That's the reason they use UFC for leverage and then immediately try to get a boxing match so they can make some real money. If they tried to go the traditional route through boxing they'd get found out very early because generally speaking, they are trash.

Dont you think the allegedly much higher tv viewerships for boxing would probably be reflected in those other numbers too if it was true? why would far more people be tuning in to watch boxing on tv but then not searching it on Youtube or following it on social media even though those platforms are free, widely used and worldwide? it doesnt add up. The best argument you could come up with to rationalize that is boxing fans are all old as **** but that wouldnt gel with your "MMA is dying" narrative would it?

A perfect example of how dumb these tv viewing figures claims are, Wlads wiki says this "During Klitschko's reign as world heavyweight champion, his fights regularly generated a global television audience of 300–500 million viewers"


Now, do YOU believe that? just bear in mind the highest claimed viewership for a Superbowl is 172m, Champions League final claims 380m, the last world cup final 517m but apparently that boring **** is doing 300-500m fighting Samuel Peter in Germany. The entire population of Germany and Ukraine could tune in and it would only account for 130m. an obvious load of ****ing nonsense but the kind of thing you would use in the face of the UFC doing actual confirmable better numbers.

How many people in Cameroon do you think are watching the UFC now that Ngannou is HW champ? who the **** knows, impossible to really figure it out. I would assume though that enough of the people watching him on tv are also looking him up on Youtube and following him on social media that those numbers (along with his PPV numbers) give a decent enough idea of how big a star he is. In his particular case clearly less of a star than AJ or Fury and maybe a tiny bit behind Wilder. Notice how in that particular instance those numbers actually favour boxing? funny that isnt it, its almost like maybe the picture they paint are fairly accurate but you dont want to accept them because usually they go in favour of MMA.

[TMLT87]

You think a decent boxer would lose to a YouTuber who had been training MMA for 3 years and never had any real fights?

If a decent boxer fought a significantly bigger Youtuber who had been training wrestling and BJJ extensively for three years, yes of course he ****ing would. Dont the Paul brothers actually have wrestling backgrounds originally? they might be able to beat plenty of pro boxers under MMA rules right now.

[nubianpiye]

I didnt mean it in a condescending way at all. My point was if you say something does X amount of views somewhere like Mexico or China its very hard to really verify that compared to something like PPV buys.




Dont you think the allegedly much higher tv viewerships for boxing would probably be reflected in those other numbers too if it was true? why would far more people be tuning in to watch boxing on tv but then not searching it on Youtube or following it on social media even though those platforms are free, widely used and worldwide? it doesnt add up. The best argument you could come up with to rationalize that is boxing fans are all old as **** but that wouldnt gel with your "MMA is dying" narrative would it?

A perfect example of how dumb these tv viewing figures claims are, Wlads wiki says this "During Klitschko's reign as world heavyweight champion, his fights regularly generated a global television audience of 300–500 million viewers"


Now, do YOU believe that? just bear in mind the highest claimed viewership for a Superbowl is 172m, Champions League final claims 380m, the last world cup final 517m but apparently that boring **** is doing 300-500m fighting Samuel Peter in Germany. The entire population of Germany and Ukraine could tune in and it would only account for 130m. an obvious load of ****ing nonsense but the kind of thing you would use in the face of the UFC doing actual confirmable better numbers.

How many people in Cameroon do you think are watching the UFC now that Ngannou is HW champ? who the **** knows, impossible to really figure it out. I would assume though that enough of the people watching him on tv are also looking him up on Youtube and following him on social media that those numbers (along with his PPV numbers) give a decent enough idea of how big a star he is. In his particular case clearly less of a star than AJ or Fury and maybe a tiny bit behind Wilder. Notice how in that particular instance those numbers actually favour boxing? funny that isnt it, its almost like maybe the picture they paint are fairly accurate but you dont want to accept them because usually they go in favour of MMA.

One thing I'll give you is MMA does have a younger audience than boxing which explains the social media engagement however many of these people grow out of that sport it really is marketed like WWE and has a very young demographic.

However what you've posted doesn't really mean anything or dismiss the numbers your argument is I don't believe it so it must not be true. The thing with Wladimir Klitscho is he was the biggest sporting star from Eastern Europe those numbers are not beyond belief in fact Wikipedia allows anyone to edit but is then checked and validated if the information you put in wikipedia is fake you receive a ban and they correct the information.

Essentially your argument is I don't believe it so it isn't true you do realise how remedial that is?

I don't believe any of Dana's numbers but I'm not in the know so I'll have to take him at his word.

then using Youtube as measurement when Youtube isn't even the biggest video streaming service in China or the second largest. the social media is different the streaming services are different.

[Dakuwaqa]

If a decent boxer fought a significantly bigger Youtuber who had been training wrestling and BJJ extensively for three years, yes of course he ****ing would. Dont the Paul brothers actually have wrestling backgrounds originally? they might be able to beat plenty of pro boxers under MMA rules right now.

I disagree. Being a blue belt in BJJ doesn’t give you much of an advantage in a fight tbh. A top professional boxer would learn enough TDD in a training camp. Easy work

[nubianpiye]

I disagree. Being a blue belt in BJJ doesn’t give you much of an advantage in a fight tbh. A top professional boxer would learn enough TDD in a training camp. Easy work

The ability of these combatants is greatly exaggerated to hype up the UFC I've sparred a purple belt who was admittedly smaller than me he couldn't take me down because he was too small and I punched him around the ring and he repeatedly attempted to quit and get out of the ring. After I'd roughed him up he suggested that we started from a ground position where he was in complete control and I admittedly couldn't do anything here the point is he couldn't take me down due to his smaller size and strength and he got beaten and punished until we created the conditions with which he was happy the Myth that all guys who train MMA will just take you down blah blah is a load of ****. in most instances, a few well-placed blows will render them unconscious long before that. Like we saw with Askren and sylvia these guys have no chin, none.

[TMLT87]

One thing I'll give you is MMA does have a younger audience than boxing which explains the social media engagement however many of these people grow out of that sport it really is marketed like WWE and has a very young demographic.

However what you've posted doesn't really mean anything or dismiss the numbers your argument is I don't believe it so it must not be true. The thing with Wladimir Klitscho is he was the biggest sporting star from Eastern Europe those numbers are not beyond belief in fact Wikipedia allows anyone to edit but is then checked and validated if the information you put in wikipedia is fake you receive a ban and they correct the information.

Essentially your argument is I don't believe it so it isn't true you do realise how remedial that is?

I don't believe any of Dana's numbers but I'm not in the know so I'll have to take him at his word.

then using Youtube as measurement when Youtube isn't even the biggest video streaming service in China or the second largest. the social media is different the streaming services are different.

Oh come the **** on you and I both know Wlad never did 500 million viewers for a fight in his life. I remember looking at a source for some crazy claim about Wlad/Pulev viewing figures a while back and after translating it it turned out it was a projected audience based on how many homes worldwide the fight could potentially be viewed in.

If you want to show me some viewing figures from whatever streaming services China uses - great. But we are in agreement that GLOBALLY Youtube, IG et al are the most used platforms of their type...right? I dont doubt that theres a ton of **** thats insanely massive in China (and India) because they are huge countries but those things usually stay contained within those countries. And remember you keep criticizing the UFC for allegedly being an America only thing when its far less insular than ****ing Zou Shiming fights.

Wouldnt a sport with more young fans probably have better future prospects than one with an aging demographic? which would obviously contradict your claim that MMA is dying, so to compensate for that you're now baselessly claiming people grow out of MMA, apparently nobody ever grows out of boxing though of course.

Can you elaborate on how its marketed like the WWE? the only real comparison I can see is that they're both by far the largest promotions in their field, both have signficant brand power and both tour globally.

The ability of these combatants is greatly exaggerated to hype up the UFC I've sparred a purple belt who was admittedly smaller than me he couldn't take me down because he was too small and I punched him around the ring and he repeatedly attempted to quit and get out of the ring. After I'd roughed him up he suggested that we started from a ground position where he was in complete control and I admittedly couldn't do anything here the point is he couldn't take me down due to his smaller size and strength and he got beaten and punished until we created the conditions with which he was happy the Myth that all guys who train MMA will just take you down blah blah is a load of ****. in most instances, a few well-placed blows will render them unconscious long before that. Like we saw with Askren and sylvia these guys have no chin, none.

So basically...

Claiming someone who trains wrestling and/or BJJ extensively might be able to take someone with zero takedown defense down = ridiculous

A fighters chin being genetically predisposed to be good or bad depending on what combat sport they happened to go into = totally logical.

[Dakuwaqa]

So basically...

Claiming someone who trains wrestling and/or BJJ extensively might be able to take someone with zero takedown defense down = ridiculous

A fighters chin being genetically predisposed to be good or bad depending on what combat sport they happened to go into = totally logical.

Glass chins get weaned out in boxing. Wrestlers and BJJ practitioners don’t need a chin to get to the top of their sports. They also don’t spend decades taking punches and knowing how to ride them/see them coming.

Luckily for them UFC fighters can’t crack

[TMLT87]

Glass chins get weaned out in boxing. Wrestlers and BJJ practitioners don’t need a chin to get to the top of their sports. They also don’t spend decades taking punches and knowing how to ride them/see them coming.

Are you sure the 4oz gloves, completely unpadded kicks and knees and the fact they're trying to defend against far more things potentially coming at them dont play a part in this?

Luckily for them UFC fighters can’t crack

Ngannou, Hunt, Hendo, Rumble, Igor, Carwin et al cant crack? and again thats in 4oz gloves.

Do you think a Wilder punch in boxing gloves is harder than a Cro Cop headkick? are Canelos punches harder than that Jorge flying knee?

[nubianpiye]

Oh come the **** on you and I both know Wlad never did 500 million viewers for a fight in his life. I remember looking at a source for some crazy claim about Wlad/Pulev viewing figures a while back and after translating it it turned out it was a projected audience based on how many homes worldwide the fight could potentially be viewed in.

If you want to show me some viewing figures from whatever streaming services China uses - great. But we are in agreement that GLOBALLY Youtube, IG et al are the most used platforms of their type...right? I dont doubt that theres a ton of **** thats insanely massive in China (and India) because they are huge countries but those things usually stay contained within those countries. And remember you keep criticizing the UFC for allegedly being an America only thing when its far less insular than ****ing Zou Shiming fights.

Wouldnt a sport with more young fans probably have better future prospects than one with an aging demographic? which would obviously contradict your claim that MMA is dying, so to compensate for that you're now baselessly claiming people grow out of MMA, apparently nobody ever grows out of boxing though of course.

Can you elaborate on how its marketed like the WWE? the only real comparison I can see is that they're both by far the largest promotions in their field, both have signficant brand power and both tour globally.



So basically...

Claiming someone who trains wrestling and/or BJJ extensively might be able to take someone with zero takedown defense down = ridiculous

A fighters chin being genetically predisposed to be good or bad depending on what combat sport they happened to go into = totally logical.

Once again just like your whole argument it ends up as you don’t want to believe it as it Don’t support your argument so I’ll just say it isn’t true. Absolute nonsense you’ve already made up your mind and nothing i show you even with links which you haven’t included is going to change your mind. You argue like a woman not trying to argue to resolve a problem but only to win. I’ve spread you factually that outside of America in every other country boxing is bigger dramatically and you have shown me nothing except for your opinions and cynicism