Hgrovic will be the heavyweight champion soon

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Johnson is shot... He cannot pull the trigger. Should have a win over Joyce? lol. That fight was either a win for Joyce, or if someone called it a draw it would not have been a robbery. It doesn't matter to me if he loses a round fighting the competition he has fought... There are layers to the competition and the Ammy style is great for winning rounds. I want to see when he steps up and fights a guy who can move, counter well, and just a better calibre opponent. Hunter is not a top guy either... I have to look at Hunter's fights, then I will decide how I think he will do.

Better than Fury? Who took shots from Wilder? I don't see this kid as much of a puncher. He has accumulation but he does not vary the speed and set up of his shots... To be fair, that is something he may learn to do yet... Im looking if I see changes I have no problems saying so. These prospects are all young, they can learn... He cannot keep his head straight up and drop his right... eventually a fighter like Ruiz, Whyte, etc will catch him badly. Vitalie was IMO better than Vlad, and learned not to hold his head up... But even Vitalie got buckled by Sanders that second fight... watch what Sanders caught him with.

Hrgovic landed the cleaner shots on Joyce . I didn’t say anything about a robbery, seeing things again ?

Johnson is not an easy guy to stop , If you’re using that to gage Hrgovic you’re in for a reality check .

Hrgovic also took shots from Wilder though Sparring at age 19 and didn’t budge these were not piddy pat punches . You also said Joyce doesn’t hit hard I would advise someone to take your views with a grain of salt concerning these fighters. .Why would taking a punch from Wilder prove who the better fighter is anyway ,Ruiz defeating Hrgovic? O.K . Ha

O.K I’ll stop here . The only thing I’ll agree with you here is Sanders catching Vitali but you know Sanders was a fast southpaw right with decent power . There’s no one like that in his prime right now ,Wallins a better boxer though but Hrgovic is going to be to strong for most guys .

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Meh just think Joyce is like the Polish kid from Brooklyn: he is big and strong and can throw a lot of punches per a round. He beats guys on accumulation. Joyce may have been a bit faster that fight, but at the end of the day he threw more shots. The lesson should be, for this kid, to learn to vary his shots, set up big shots properly, so if he has real puncher's power (I don't see it) He can use it. Punchers do not throw bunches and bunches at the same speed. Holyfield may be the exception, he was good enough to beat you on activity, but could knock your lights out with beautiful combos.

bloody hell that is insulting.
the polish kid being kowanacki? who was out of shape and looking like dana white?

go watch the WSBs fight between hrgovic and joyce. hrgovic has not evolved either, he has his hands wide and throws big slow punches. he has power and a good chin too, but joyce is more varied.

no one is knocking out joyce. his story is he has exceptionally dense bones and doesnt get hurt. as a consequence, he's also slow, which is why they call him 'the juggernaut'.
he's always sparring anthony joshua too.

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Hrgovic landed the cleaner shots on Joyce . I didn’t say anything about a robbery, seeing things again ?

Johnson is not an easy guy to stop , If you’re using that to gage Hrgovic you’re in for a reality check .

Hrgovic also took shots from Wilder though Sparring at age 19 and didn’t budge these were not piddy pat punches . You also said Joyce doesn’t hit hard I would advise someone to take your views with a grain of salt concerning these fighters. .Why would taking a punch from Wilder prove who the better fighter is anyway ,Ruiz defeating Hrgovic? O.K . Ha

O.K I’ll stop here . The only thing I’ll agree with you here is Sanders catching Vitali but you know Sanders was a fast southpaw right with decent power . There’s no one like that in his prime right now ,Wallins a better boxer though but Hrgovic is going to be to strong for most guys .

Watch the insults... Keep it civil, and civil it will be. I never implied you said anything, read the post carefully, I gave a range of possible decisions saying what I considered "fair" for a decision with this fight. I said Joyce is more an accumulation guy, not a big puncher, thats not really precisely saying he does not hit hard. If you want to consider that splitting hairs... well all the big guys hit hard. What you advise and train fair will get one on the train... Sparring has proven time and time again not to be an accurate guage of ring credability. I can show you clips of Razor Ruddock keeping up and making Larry HOlmes work in a contest of jabs... Is it impressive? YEAH! But what does it really mean? Ruddock never was the fighter Holmes was.

I don't get your point about Wilder. Yeah I would bet on Ruiz. Ruiz has a great chin, is very fast, and comes at an angle that allows him, despite the height difference to catch guys with a counter to a slow right.

Hrgovic is talented but the limits I see are such that jumping a level, fighting the next level of competition is going to either make him learn real fast, or expose him. Time will tell. Read the post carefully. You assumed that I posted two things in the above post... They are bolded.

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bloody hell that is insulting.
the polish kid being kowanacki? who was out of shape and looking like dana white?

go watch the WSBs fight between hrgovic and joyce. hrgovic has not evolved either, he has his hands wide and throws big slow punches. he has power and a good chin too, but joyce is more varied.

no one is knocking out joyce. his story is he has exceptionally dense bones and doesnt get hurt. as a consequence, he's also slow, which is why they call him 'the juggernaut'.
he's always sparring anthony joshua too.

Kowanacki does not look good but always throws many punches and is a very active fighter. Even if he does look like Dana White's kid brother.
I did watch that fight, I only comment on fights I view. Nobody has knocked out Joyce... Nobody has dropped Kowanacki either until Helinis dropped him...