Why do "real Mexicans" hate US born Mexican fighters?

[-Mbandit-]

Funny how some of the Indios talk **** about Mexican Americans but yet they are just as Americanized. Some posters on here are proof of it.

I love the U.S. and Mexico. I love the history of my people. But I hate these racist Mexicans who think they have the right to choose who is Mexican. Oh you're not full Mexican cause you were born in the states. Well guess what sherlock....does that mean you aren't full Mexican either cause you have Spanish blood??

What he said^^^^^^

[-Mbandit-]

You ****** **** i was born in chicago and i do appreciate living in usa, i have my amercian side and i listen to 80's music alternative rock and rap and i have my mexican side that loves to go dancing to cumbias and listen to corridos. Just cuz you r dumb ass has no connection with your mexican side. Why dont you take that mexican flag out of your pic and just leave the american one cuz mexicans do not want you to represent them in anyway.

But that's not what you said in your post, you basically implied that we have to act like them in order to be accepted by them.Like we can't be ourselves in order to be accepted.Why can't they accept who we are and not expect us to act like them?It's like they want to be accepted the way they are, over here, but not do the same when we go over there.

And you don't know me so you can't say if I have a connection with my Mexican side or not.I speak perfect Spanish and I have some family in Mexico, although it's in the border town.Maybe that's why I don't see it as you do because when I go to Mexicali, they don't act the way you just described.

And no, I won't take the Mexican flag out of my signature.I'm actually proud of my Mexican heritage, but do not agree with illegal immigration or Mexicans hating on us Mexican/Americans.

[cockfrito5]

Let me put it this way , i was born here in chicago, i will never be a true mexican because i wasnt born overthere but my blood is the same as the people from overthere. I didnt grow up in mexico so i cant really claim that. But i stay close with mexico cuz i love being there.
About 80% of people from mexico are mixed with spanish and other european races, and that is what a current day mexican is. Now if your trying to say theyre not true mexicans cuz theyre not full blooded mexica indians which where the word mexico comes from than thats another story.
Bottom line is we mexican americans are all ****ed up because as jae p said "no soy de aqui ni de aya". Im not fully accepted as american because of my mexican ancestry and im NOT fully accepted as a mexican because im not from mexico. But **** it. Its all in the way you view yourself

[Caxcan]

When it comes to boxing... Mexicans could never accept a guy like Sergio Mora.
As Mexicans we expect Boxers to be warriors, ultimate gladiators, and we do not typically like anything less than this, meaning "boxers".
It really doesn't even have to do with Race. We love humble warriors!!!
Mexicans have loved foreign fighters like their own because of their warrior style. Names that come to mind, Tyson, Ali, Arguello, Napoles, Ultiminio "Sugar" Ramos, Trinidad, Cotto, Pacman, "the Proffesor" Nelson, the list goes on and on. Mexicans prefer the agressive fighter that doesn't talk the talk but walks the walk.

I agree with what was said before.. Mexicans prefer the brawling style, while many Chicano boxers (like Luevano and Guerrero) are boxers.

Back to the threadstarter's question, DLH and Vargas arent the greatest examples because chicanos were also divided on those two fighters. one was more of a pretty boy, the other had a thug mentality. They were pretty much each other's biggest rivals as well.

I think it may be as simple as a rivalry. Mexican and Chicano boxers often compete in the same divisions and when a Chicano defeats a Mexican, it's credited as a win for the US. They really have no reason to root for an American fighter (from their perspective) especially when they have so many of their own fighters to root for. It's really mostly a boxing thing because Chicanos often represent Mexico in other sports like the olympics, baseball, basketball competitions etc...

[-Mbandit-]

Let me put it this way , i was born here in chicago, i will never be a true mexican because i wasnt born overthere but my blood is the same as the people from overthere. I didnt grow up in mexico so i cant really claim that. But i stay close with mexico cuz i love being there.
About 80% of people from mexico are mixed with spanish and other european races, and that is what a current day mexican is. Now if your trying to say theyre not true mexicans cuz theyre not full blooded mexica indians which where the word mexico comes from than thats another story.
Bottom line is we mexican americans are all ****ed up because as jae p said "no soy de aqui ni de aya". Im not fully accepted as american because of my mexican ancestry and im fully accepted as a mexican because im not from mexico. But **** it. Its all in the way you view yourself

I see what you mean, I do agree with your last statement.

[Me La Pelan]

It's called boxing bro, not brawling!That's fine if they prefer brawlers it's their choice.But they shouldn't reject Mexican or Mexican/American fighters that choose to box instead of brawl.They should support them equally.

And sometimes those so called"humble warriors" are hypocrite.They portray themselves as being humble in front of the cameras but in real life they are ****ing arrogant.Especially J.C.C.He gives Mexican boxers a bad name.And Morales too, I went to the Vasquez/Marquez I fight, and we asked him for some autographs and pictures and the ****er shunned us off.On the other hand Mario Lopez, a Mexican/American was very friendly and polite and he took pictures with us even though he is more famous then Morales.

Let me just explain myself before you start hatting on me. I am a Mexican born "Pocho" I was born in Ensenada, and came to the US when I was 4. I have always taken pride in being Mexican. I understand both sides, I really do. When I would watch Chavez fights growing up and heard the national anthem I would get all emotional and excited.
My only brother was born in San Jose cali. He was born a citizen, he joined the Navy about 4+ years ago. I never felt anything special when the US anthem was sung, that is until my brother was in the Navy. When my brother joined, I felt pride in my brother, he is a good decent man, and I believe he is doing a great thing in serving. You can say we (our family) felt like we are accepted in this country by my brothers service. Recently we went to Sea World and before the Shamu show started they asked that anyone serving in the Armed Forces AND their families stand and be recognized, and I could say that I felt pride in being American.
I've been to a few fights here in Vegas, and they always sing the anthems, Always the Mexican anthem, then the other anthem, then the American Anthem, And now when I hear both the Mexican and American anthems I FEEL them. the way I see it is I am a Mexican by birthright and blood, and I am a Proud Citizen of the US.

AND the fact that Mexicans LOVE their fighters and the way they fight is just the way it is. No one can blame them, and everyone has their preferences. You can call a Boxer a boxer, or you can call him a brawler, I don't care. WE LOVE OUR FIGHTERS and there is nothing you or anyone else can say or do to change this.
There are tons of athletes that act different infront of the cameras, in many sports. Attitudewise everyone is human and everyone deserves bad days. Can you imagine the droves of people they HAVE signed autographs for, how do you know what he's going through. Mario is a first generation mexican like me, actually I went to CVHS with one of his cousins, he is really nice!! but he wasn't always like that.

[Texanballer]

K paz de la sierra use to be hott. I wish Sergio Gomez was still alive : /

[cockfrito5]

We are our own worst enemy when it comes down to it. Always trying to be above each other. I just hate seeing **** like when mexican americans put down a mexican that just came across the border by calling him a ******* when the majority of our parents and granparents came from mexico that way. The same goes the other way when we get called pocho.
But back to boxing, i am a big oscar fan but the reason alot of mexicans from mexico didnt like him was cuz of chavez fight and if you watch his early fights he always came out with the american flag. Then all of a sudden he starts coming out with a mexican flag to get more fans so they can buy more ppvs. I like him and i hate him, but its more of a 80% like.
Vargas was a ****ing idiot . I thought he was going to do good then all of a sudden he ******.
The thing is , dont be phony cuz people can tell and when you get exposed, you'l lose the fans you won with your phonyness, if thats even a word.

[Me La Pelan]

But that's not what you said in your post, you basically implied that we have to act like them in order to be accepted by them.Like we can't be ourselves in order to be accepted.Why can't they accept who we are and not expect us to act like them?It's like they want to be accepted the way they are, over here, but not do the same when we go over there.

And you don't know me so you can't say if I have a connection with my Mexican side or not.I speak perfect Spanish and I have some family in Mexico, although it's in the border town.Maybe that's why I don't see it as you do because when I go to Mexicali, they don't act the way you just described.

And no, I won't take the Mexican flag out of my signature.I'm actually proud of my Mexican heritage, but do not agree with illegal immigration or Mexicans hating on us Mexican/Americans.

you know what is funny about your statement. When a Pocho goes to Mexico, he doesn't get hated on unless he is acting like most of us act. I'll give you an example.

I went to Morelia Michoacan when I was 16. I grew up in a gang in LA. I went over there thinking I was hot ****, typical. We went to this small town on the outskirts of Morelia with my cousins friend, because they have a DJ system and were hired to do the anniversary of that towns establishment. This was a small humble little town, lots of poor people. Towards the end of the night a fight broke out in the Plaza, it turned into a mass brawl!! We got away and a few days later there were 12 dead in Lagunillas. I learned that no matter how bad ass you think you are, people in rural Mexico are extremely nice, but will kill you or anyone else who crosses the line.
Most of the "HATE" is taking place on the American side of the border.
When I was growing up I heard tons of "Pochos" call the poor mexicans that didn't **** wetb@cks and Mojados and Bean3rs. The mexicans that come from Mexico usually don't take this for long and that is when the problems begin. The funny thing is that if a Mexican fights any other race the Pochos usually back up the Mexican. You don't get that in Mexico, people there won't offend you for no reason.

[OZ1986]

And nothing embarrasses me more than a Mexican breaking the law by crossing the border illegally.

I'm a citizen and why is it embarrassing that Mexicans cross over to the US? People gotta eat man! Its not just Mexicans that come here illigally, plus if u are Mexican I betting some of your fam came here illigally!

Anyways this thread is about boxing. Vargas had a huge fan base in the USA, but not too many people from Mex liked him. Its not just Vargas and DLH, its many more