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  • Pantera_
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    #51
    Originally posted by Boxing-1013

    Depends on what I have going on that night, and on what platform it is presented.

    I certainly won't be watching excitedly, to see who the better man is, and who will get his hand raised at the end of the night.

    You don't think BJS has a chance to win on the cards?
    Well that's a shame. You should make time for this one I think BJ will present a lot problems for Canelo. He'll be sticking and moving all night not just sitting there to get hit.

    And yes BJ can win on the scorecards. If I remember correctly the Lara fight was a split decision on the cards and everybody had that going either way like the cards reflected. Same for GGG 2.

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    • Boxing-1013
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      #52
      Originally posted by Pantera_

      Well that's a shame. You should make time for this one I think BJ will present a lot problems for Canelo. He'll be sticking and moving all night not just sitting there to get hit.

      And yes BJ can win on the scorecards. If I remember correctly the Lara fight was a split decision on the cards and everybody had that going either way like the cards reflected. Same for GGG 2.
      How do actual fans of the sport really say that Canelo can lose on the cards? Like how do people say that seriously.

      Lara decision was fine by me. 2 judges had good cards. One judge was awful. In Canelo's favor of course. Both GGG fights were similar enough as far as scoring them goes. There just aren't 6 rounds for Canelo there. 5 if feeling generous. He went 1-0-1 where he should have been 0-2. He should have been down on the cards vs Kov as well before the KO but that obviously wasn't the case and Canelo was ahead.

      Acting like Canelo, the mega star that he is, is only going to get 'OK' cards, is just not even worth having a convo about.

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      • Pantera_
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        #53
        Originally posted by Boxing-1013

        How do actual fans of the sport really say that Canelo can lose on the cards? Like how do people say that seriously.

        Lara decision was fine by me. 2 judges had good cards. One judge was awful. In Canelo's favor of course. Both GGG fights were similar enough as far as scoring them goes. There just aren't 6 rounds for Canelo there. 5 if feeling generous. He went 1-0-1 where he should have been 0-2. He should have been down on the cards vs Kov as well before the KO but that obviously wasn't the case and Canelo was ahead.

        Acting like Canelo, the mega star that he is, is only going to get 'OK' cards, is just not even worth having a convo about.

        Haha, well that's boxing for you bud. Yes Canelo is the face of the sport but if BJS schools him I think he'll get the nod. We shall see

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        • Boxing-1013
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          #54
          Originally posted by Pantera_


          Haha, well that's boxing for you bud. Yes Canelo is the face of the sport but if BJS schools him I think he'll get the nod. We shall see
          BJS 'schooled' Lemieux and all that meant was that he won each round by a few punches. He beat Monroe clearly, but Monroe still got 4 rounds or so.

          In a big fight, the best you can hope for is to beat the other guy clearly enough in about half the rounds, and then the other half are close rounds.

          That is BJS' best hope vs Canelo. If that happens, Canelo will win the fight on the cards. He will get every close round he needs. All he has to do is keep it competitive for about half+ of the rounds and he is sitting pretty.

          We all know this. This is not some secret. I'll be interested to see how BJS actually does on my card vs Canelo. But no I don't care at all about what the official judges say in most fights, especially a Canelo fight.

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          • Stuntman Mike
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            #55
            Originally posted by ShoulderRoll

            The claim is that BJS can't win the fight on the cards.

            That's why I am asking people to provide examples of when Canelo won a fight on the cards when he should have lost instead.
            Quite a few to mention or they were close but canelo has always had at least one judge in the bag that gives him every round even when it's ridiculous like the mayweather fight

            You seem like you just want to nit pick and argue

            You should enlighten yourself and just admit he is favoured beyond anything we've ever seen

            Versus Larry Mosley – Ray Corona – 99-91 The red-headed welterweight was fresh out of Mexico in this one, taking on his first American foe in veteran boxer Larry Mosley. The 15-2-2 (6 KOs) Mosley was no slouch, having an extensive amateur career and a decent professional one. In the unpa...

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            • TernceBudCharlo
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              #56
              Originally posted by Boxing-1013

              BJS 'schooled' Lemieux and all that meant was that he won each round by a few punches. He beat Monroe clearly, but Monroe still got 4 rounds or so.

              In a big fight, the best you can hope for is to beat the other guy clearly enough in about half the rounds, and then the other half are close rounds.

              That is BJS' best hope vs Canelo. If that happens, Canelo will win the fight on the cards. He will get every close round he needs. All he has to do is keep it competitive for about half+ of the rounds and he is sitting pretty.

              We all know this. This is not some secret. I'll be interested to see how BJS actually does on my card vs Canelo. But no I don't care at all about what the official judges say in most fights, especially a Canelo fight.
              He definitely didn't school Willie Monroe, that's for sure. BJS is a joke.

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                #57
                Originally posted by Boxing-1013

                If that is your reply to my commentary, then I don't think you're smart enough to have a conversation with. No offense.

                Besides, we all know the fights where he was fortunate to get the result.
                So you run your mouth about people not being able to beat Canelo on the cards.

                But don't actually have much proof of Canelo winning on the cards when he shouldn't have.

                Thst's some weak stuff.

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                • TernceBudCharlo
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                  #58
                  Originally posted by ShoulderRoll

                  So you run your mouth about people not being able to beat Canelo on the cards.

                  But don't actually have much proof of Canelo winning on the cards when he shouldn't have.

                  Thst's some weak stuff.
                  To me, I think he arguably could have won the trout fight, the Lara fight, both GGG fights. 7-5 scorecards, eh, I disagree but not too crazy. Im not complaining.

                  However, when you have judges that are just so out of touch with what's happening right in front of him (Levi Martinez 9-3 Lara, Adelaide Byrd 10-2 GGG), then it's no longer just a conspiracy theory to say that the judges are biased towards a particular fighter. It's no longer a conspiracy theory to say that maybe there's corruption or something shady going oil. Because you know for a fact that 1 judge was insanely biased, how do you know that the judge who scored it 7-5 for Canelo wasn't too?

                  If this had happened once I'd say maybe it's a coincidence. But it happened not one time, not two times, not three times, but FOUR times. Fool me once, shame on you. But fool me 4 times and... well....

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                  • Thuglife Nelo
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                    #59
                    Originally posted by Stuntman Mike

                    Quite a few to mention or they were close but canelo has always had at least one judge in the bag that gives him every round even when it's ridiculous like the mayweather fight

                    You seem like you just want to nit pick and argue

                    You should enlighten yourself and just admit he is favoured beyond anything we've ever seen

                    https://thegruelingtruth.com/boxing/...anelo-alvarez/
                    You completely ducked what Shoulder Roll asked for. Many can’t cite a simple answer... lol. CJ Ross didn’t even give the fight to Canelo. The other two had Floyd win. 2:1 supersedes. So cite another instance where it was similar to CJ Ross? I had Khan winnin just 2 rounds against Canelo. Canelo made him miss elegantly. Khan was just circling the ring over and over didn’t land anything meaningful against Canelo because he was scared to get hit. Guess what, Byrd had Khan winning against Canelo... if There’s a looney judge then don’t worry there’s 2 more! And usually fans never cite their card with criticism. Shows that most fans just repeat what other fans say without knowing how to analyze the situation

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                    • TernceBudCharlo
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                      #60
                      Forgot about those ridiculous Khan scorecards at the time of the stoppage.

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