Wilder, Fury and the Arbitration case.

[Toffee]

Cases can't just disappear. Surely if it was dismissed we would know it was dismissed. The fact that even Warren and Arum aren't talking about it is weird to me too.

It's not a case. It's two sides agreeing to discuss their side of the contractual debate with an independent arbitrator. Arbitration is not binding on either party. Court cases are, but we haven't got there yet.

If Fury is off signing contracts then that's a pretty good indication that they're not in arbitration anymore. How can they be discussing a Wilder fight while signing a Joshua fight?

That being the situation, why hasn't team Wilder lodged anything with a court yet?

My guess is they've either got a result to their satisfaction, or they simply don't have any legal right to the rematch.

[Toffee]

The best Wilder side can hope for is to get a couple of hundred grand for their fruitless efforts,

I think they'd be pushing for an agreed trilogy fight down the line.

And that might suit both parties. Give Wilder a couple of easy fights. Fury gets a swansong, either with or without belts.

They could even draw AJ into that kind of deal. Under threat that they'll drag it out through the courts and threaten the Undisputed fight happening.

[Ray*]

I think they'd be pushing for an agreed trilogy fight down the line.

And that might suit both parties. Give Wilder a couple of easy fights. Fury gets a swansong, either with or without belts.

They could even draw AJ into that kind of deal. Under threat that they'll drag it out through the courts and threaten the Undisputed fight happening.

They literally cannot drag either Fury or AJ into anything. Why? Because they need a valid contract to be able to do that. They don’t have a valid contract, hence why they were (Team Wilder) going right through mediation.

If they could have put a stop to Fury then we would be having litigation, not mediation then litigation.

The best they would hope for is the couple of hundred grand for the phone calls and whatnot.

[Toffee]

They literally cannot drag either Fury or AJ into anything. Why? Because they need a valid contract to be able to do that. They don’t have a valid contract, hence why they were (Team Wilder) going right through mediation.

If they could have put a stop to Fury then we would be having litigation, not mediation then litigation.

The best they would hope for is the couple of hundred grand for the phone calls and whatnot.

You mediate before you go to court. Not instead of (unless you reach a satisfactory resolution).

You don't need a strong case to enter litigation. Just a case. Even as an outsider, the fact that they had a rematch clause that expired during a pandemic would mean they could seriously take this to court.

The threat from Wilder might not be that they will win the case, it might just be that they will go to court and be a pain in the backside. It's the same leverage that Ruiz had in the Joshua rematch. Court cases take time and Fury and Joshua don't want to lose that time.

Ultimately this is Fury's problem, but it creates an issue for Joshua too.

[BodyBagz]

Fury gets a pass since he's fighting a more important fight.

[Ray*]

You mediate before you go to court. Not instead of (unless you reach a satisfactory resolution).

You don't need a strong case to enter litigation. Just a case. Even as an outsider, the fact that they had a rematch clause that expired during a pandemic would mean they could seriously take this to court.

The threat from Wilder might not be that they will win the case, it might just be that they will go to court and be a pain in the backside. It's the same leverage that Ruiz had in the Joshua rematch. Court cases take time and Fury and Joshua don't want to lose that time.

Ultimately this is Fury's problem, but it creates an issue for Joshua too.

Nope you do not need to “Mediate” before going to court. Not sure where you got that from. Team Wilder didn’t “Mediate” with Povetkin before going to court.

Team Joshua didn’t mediate with Team Ruiz before serving him legal papers, reminding him of his binding rematch clause contract.

So when I see the “You mediate” thing first, am always asking where is that coming from?

[Toffee]

Nope you do not need to “Mediate” before going to court. Not sure where you got that from. Team Wilder didn’t “Mediate” with Povetkin before going to court.

Team Joshua didn’t mediate with Team Ruiz before serving him legal papers, reminding him of his binding rematch clause contract.

So when I see the “You mediate” thing first, am always asking where is that coming from?

Correct. But I never said you need to mediate before going to court. That's stated precisely nowhere in my post.

I said it's not one or the other, they're separate things. You mediate (if you can't settle between yourselves)... then if you're still not satisfied and think you have a case then you go to court. Alternatively you could just go to court.

Negotiate (parties try to resolve between themselves), mediate (independent arbitrator), litigation (court decides).

All separate elements, all may or may not happen.

Going back to the original point... The fact that this is in arbitration doesn't mean it can't later go to court. Team Wilder have chosen to go to arbitration. That doesn't mean the threat of litigation has disappeared. And that threat carries a time element. They could have Fury tied up in court instead of fighting Joshua. Fury could press ahead but he'd do so with a risk (however small) that Wilder wins and gets paid out for lost earnings on a heavyweight championship rematch. He wouldn't press ahead with that risk in play.

[Beercules]

What case? Wilder got his ass kicked

[Toffee]

Things we know to be facts:

- Wilder and Fury had a rematch clause in their contract.
The rest is all guesswork.

My guess is that Wilder went quiet, the period for the fight passed, he's making a case that there should have been an extension due to COVID, and it's not being particularly successful given that Fury is off signing contracts elsewhere.

But it's my guess. No facts.

[koolkc107]

Do you guys even read the stuff reported on this site?

"Finkel said their contract calls for mediation to resolve any differences and if that does not work the issue would go to binding arbitration.

“In our contract, if there is a dispute it goes to mediation and that’s what’s going to happen,” Finkel said. “And (then) binding arbitration if mediation is unsuccessful.”

https://www.boxingscene.com/wilder-taking-fury-mediation-attempt-force-third-fight--153168

Mediation can take weeks, arbitration can take months. It was reported the arbitration was going to be pursued in late January, so it is very possible the arbitration process didn't begin until February.

It's binding arbitration btw.