Dzinziruk Wants Paul Williams Bout, Without Universum

[Dave Rado]

This guy is not getting Williams. He's a nobody who's never been on TV.

So European TV isn't TV, only US TV is TV; and being the best boxer in a weight class is irrelevant, unless you've been on US TV! What xenophobic idiocy!

[Dave Rado]

that's crazy man....hopkins challenged williams. he should be willing to make concessions also. williams' last two fights at MW, he only weighed in 157, now you expect him to put on a full 13 pounds more, and not have any ill effects? hopkins wants the fight at 170, i say 168 is far more fair. hopkins stays in shape, if he can make 170, he can do 168.....or fight chad dawson. or roy jones, for that matter...

No it was Williams who originally challenged Hopkins:

"After a dominating performance over Winky Wright, the once-beaten Paul “The Punisher” Williams has been aggressively hunting for a major name at middleweight, junior middleweight and welterweight. The buck didn’t stop there. Williams’ promoter Dan Goossen was actually trying to get Williams in the ring with Bernard Hopkins, a light heavyweight.

Despite his best efforts, Goossen has been unsuccessful with enticing the big names, like Shane Mosley and Hopkins, to accept a fight with Williams. "

And his camp then specified Hopkins would have to come in at 165.

Asking fighters to come in weight drained makes boxing into a circus act and not a sport, IMO. You may as well claim you can run 100m faster than Usain Bolt, provided he ties his legs together. It's just bull****. If Williams doesn't think he can be competitive against a Light Heavyweight at his own weight then he shouldn't fight against Light Heavyweights. It's just pathetic.

And although 168 would certainly be a lot better than 165, even 170 is a big drop on 175, and 175 is Hopkins' weight class. Hopkins says he can drop 5 pounds max without being weight drained; and to ask him to drop any further than that is just disrespectful, IMO, and as I say, is treating boxing as a circus act instead of a sport. Even 168 is a 7lb drop on the weight class Hopkins fights in, not a 2lb drop.

[Iceta]

No it was Williams who originally challenged Hopkins:

"After a dominating performance over Winky Wright, the once-beaten Paul “The Punisher” Williams has been aggressively hunting for a major name at middleweight, junior middleweight and welterweight. The buck didn’t stop there. Williams’ promoter Dan Goossen was actually trying to get Williams in the ring with Bernard Hopkins, a light heavyweight.

Despite his best efforts, Goossen has been unsuccessful with enticing the big names, like Shane Mosley and Hopkins, to accept a fight with Williams. "

And his camp then specified Hopkins would have to come in at 165.

Asking fighters to come in weight drained makes boxing into a circus act and not a sport, IMO. You may as well claim you can run 100m faster than Usain Bolt, provided he ties his legs together. It's just bull****. If Williams doesn't think he can be competitive against a Light Heavyweight at his own weight then he shouldn't fight against Light Heavyweights. It's just pathetic.

And although 168 would certainly be a lot better than 165, even 170 is a big drop on 175, and 175 is Hopkins' weight class. Hopkins says he can drop 5 pounds max without being weight drained; and to ask him to drop any further than that is just disrespectful, IMO, and as I say, is treating boxing as a circus act instead of a sport. Even 168 is a 7lb drop on the weight class Hopkins fights in, not a 2lb drop.

The thing is though, Hopkins brought this on himself a little bit by saying he would fight Froch at 168. At least Williams has never fought that high before where as Pacquiao has fought at 147 against De La Hoya and he is fighting Cotto below that. To me, that is the difference. If Hopkins is so weight drained at 170, then how did he perform so good against Pavlik? And at least 168 is a real weight division. I did think 165 was bull**** though.

[Dave Rado]

The thing is though, Hopkins brought this on himself a little bit by saying he would fight Froch at 168.

I guess ... but maybe he thought Froch is so limited that he could beat him even while being weight drained. Anyway, he priced himself out of that fight, so I don't know how serious he really was about it.

But at the end of the day, his weight division is 175, and if he thinks the lowest he can go without being weight drained is 170, then that should be the end of the story, IMO.

At least Williams has never fought that high before

So he should fight Martinez if he doesn't want to fight that high. That would be a great fight.

If Hopkins is so weight drained at 170, then how did he perform so good against Pavlik?

He said the lowest he can get without being weight drained is 170.

I did think 165 was bull**** though.

Glad we're agreed on that, anyway.

[BattlingNelson]

This guy is not getting Williams. He's a nobody who's never been on TV. If Paul is waiting until December to fight, then he will be able to get someone much better than this guy.

[Iceta]

I guess ... but maybe he thought Froch is so limited that he could beat him even while being weight drained. Anyway, he priced himself out of that fight, so I don't know how serious he really was about it.

But at the end of the day, his weight division is 175, and if he thinks the lowest he can go without being weight drained is 170, then that should be the end of the story, IMO.



So he should fight Martinez if he doesn't want to fight that high. That would be a great fight.





He said the lowest he can get without being weight drained is 170.



Glad we're agreed on that, anyway.

You notice of how Martinez and Dibella started wolfing about fighting Williams when he was in negotations to fight Pavlik. But they did not utter his name after he beat Winky Wright and during the time frame that HBO suggested the two guys fight each other.

[Dave Rado]

You notice of how Martinez and Dibella started wolfing about fighting Williams when he was in negotations to fight Pavlik. But they did not utter his name after he beat Winky Wright and during the time frame that HBO suggested the two guys fight each other.

The fact is, he called Williams out. If Williams says now "Okay let's get it on", and Martinez chickens out, he'll lose all credibility.

[catalinul]

This guy is not getting Williams. He's a nobody who's never been on TV. If Paul is waiting until December to fight, then he will be able to get someone much better than this guy.


Also, it's really unlikely that Paul is taking that October date now. Too much time has been wasted. Paul isn't fighting til December at the earliest.

There is boxing outside of HBO and Showtime.

You should watch it sometime.

[Fox McCloud]

Dzinziruk has all of my respect. This is as ballsy as can be.

This is probably the best fight of the year in talent other than Pacquiao's and Marquez's fights. My god...

[Iceta]

No it was Williams who originally challenged Hopkins:

"After a dominating performance over Winky Wright, the once-beaten Paul “The Punisher” Williams has been aggressively hunting for a major name at middleweight, junior middleweight and welterweight. The buck didn’t stop there. Williams’ promoter Dan Goossen was actually trying to get Williams in the ring with Bernard Hopkins, a light heavyweight.

Despite his best efforts, Goossen has been unsuccessful with enticing the big names, like Shane Mosley and Hopkins, to accept a fight with Williams. "

And his camp then specified Hopkins would have to come in at 165.

Asking fighters to come in weight drained makes boxing into a circus act and not a sport, IMO. You may as well claim you can run 100m faster than Usain Bolt, provided he ties his legs together. It's just bull****. If Williams doesn't think he can be competitive against a Light Heavyweight at his own weight then he shouldn't fight against Light Heavyweights. It's just pathetic.

And although 168 would certainly be a lot better than 165, even 170 is a big drop on 175, and 175 is Hopkins' weight class. Hopkins says he can drop 5 pounds max without being weight drained; and to ask him to drop any further than that is just disrespectful, IMO, and as I say, is treating boxing as a circus act instead of a sport. Even 168 is a 7lb drop on the weight class Hopkins fights in, not a 2lb drop.

So by your logic, JMM does not get any credit for beating Floyd? I would rather the fight be at 147 as a JMM fan, because I think people could use that to discredit JMM after the victory. But Bernard can wait the rest of the year if he isn't willing to fight Williams under that reasonable offer. People accuse him of ducking Adamek and Dawson to fight Williams, when I think that is nonsense. Hopkins could use this fight to knock some ring rust off. And on top of that I view Paul Williams as the most dangerous out of the three.

Adamek is tough, but straightforward and Hopkins would exploit that. Dawson has questionable stamina and he takes breaks and lets the other opponent out work him. He would fight at Bernard's pace where as Williams would not. I don't know how Williams would be able to deal with B-Hop's rough house tactics though. Hopkins would have some long arms to be able to tie up, and that would be something that he would enjoy. Lol. I could see fights against Dawson or Williams becoming clinch fests. Because it seems like that always happens when B-Hop fights a Southpaw. Adamek would be big and that might ware Bernard out when it came to trying to tie him up on the inside. That is one luxury that Bernard may not be able to enjoy against Adamek.