Boxing For the Under Privileged Masses, MMA for Socio-Economic Elite Minority

[Fulcrum29]

The problem with you people pulling the "scholarship" card is two fold:

1. Just because a privileged kid got a wrestling SCHOLARSHIP doesn't mean he wouldn't have been able to afford that education to begin with. In most cases they could have afforded it ANYWAY simply because they come from a privileged (relatively speaking to a boxer) family. It's just that they had the skills to get a scholarship.

2. Some of you keep parroting the scholarship thing but no one even said that the majority or even a small minority of them are on scholarships, you're just assuming they were. Truth is alot of them probably paid their way through college the regular way due to having a socio-economically privileged (again, relatively speaking to a boxer) upbringing.

[ColtraneChanges]

Here' let me me break it down:

NO Rags to Riches stories?
Here's the first extreme generality you mention...
As much as it pains me to mention his name in MMA, Kimbo Slice anyone?
James Thompson from Britain has a pretty scrappy background.
Hideo Tokoro - Lived in shack apartment, worked as a janitor, bathed in the sink, and fought for nothing for ZST.

"If you look at every major MMA "superstar" they are all well to do caucasians with college degrees and good homely upbringings."
Wanderlei Silva - Brazilian
Anderson Silva - Brazilian
Lyoto Machida - Brazilian
Fedor - Russian
GSP - Canadian - pretty scrappy childhood - Wiki him if you want
BJ Penn - College Degree? Caucasian?
Miguel Torres - Mexican dude, had to pay dues fighting unsanctioned events in Bars and Nightclubs in Indiana... far from a "good homely upbringing"
Quinton Jackson - do i really need to explain?

"There is no grit nor street ferocity in an MMA match."

Ignorant to much smaller organizations outside of the country. I don't even know what "street ferocity" even really means. I'd feel a hell of a lot safer fighting a boxer in some gym in Brooklyn than fighting an MMA match in Phuket.

The rest of your post is largely from a myopic Western perspective. You literally have no idea what it's like to live as an MMA fighter in another country. Think of Pacman trying to get by on peanuts in the Philippines...

Unless your name is Nostradamus, you have no way of knowing that

[Swoosh]

But with guys like Silva and Machida dominating the sport right now, I think it's going to inspire generations of fighters to take their striking more seriously and the overall striking skills of MMA fighters will rise in the years to come.

And MMA fans are very knowlegable when it comes to all the differents aspects of ground fighting, I just watched Demian Maia vs. Jason Mcdonald last night and for every submission attept and change of position the crowd was totally in to it and cheering them on. Ground fighting can be exciting.

I agree. I enjoy the ground game, but to say it's as exciting as a good boxing match doesn't work for me. I understand all aspects of MMA, but a top MMA fight doesn't compare to a top boxing match, IMO.

Also, it has already begun that MMA fighters are putting more time into boxing. We are at the cusp of what's to come, but as quickly as MMA'er start getting more technical in their boxing, the counter to that will be to take it back to the ground.

[Fulcrum29]

You will not accept as valid any argument which does not conform to your preconceived notions. I think this is obvious to everyone here, except yourself of course.

Actually your argument is INVALID because an argument can only be logically valid if the research to formulate that argument was diligently done, in this case reading my post. But considering you admittedly didn't do said research, that unfortunately nullifies, negates, and invalidates your paltry and unresearched "argument" and relegates it to the half-assed dustbin of defensive reactionary attacks.

[joe90210]

That doesn't change the fact that they were top notch wrestlers in high school and college when many top boxers NEVER EVEN WENT TO HIGH SCHOOl to begin with.

And no, ancient gladiators didn't roll around on the floor, tea bagging each other, and straddling each other in a "full mount." Sorry, they fought like warriors standing up with weapons for extended periods of time until blood, sweat, and tears were shed which is far more akin to boxing than current MMA. Boxers are the only true gladiators. They fight for 12 3 minute rounds for a total of 36 minutes of combat. A typical MMA match lasts 1-2 minutes and has a total of 5-20 landed blows. Not even a comparison. MMA is "Gladiator-Lite"

2 minute matches with 5 punches, wow you really don't know what you're talking about huh?

[Drunken Cat]

The problem with you people pulling the "scholarship" card is two fold:

1. Just because a privileged kid got a wrestling SCHOLARSHIP doesn't mean he wouldn't have been able to afford that education to begin with. In most cases they could have afforded it ANYWAY simply because they come from a privileged (relatively speaking to a boxer) family. It's just that they had the skills to get a scholarship.

Do you have a single FACT to back this up? Of course you don't, just stereotype-based bias.

2. Some of you keep parroting the scholarship thing but no one even said that the majority or even a small minority of them are on scholarships, you're just assuming they were. Truth is alot of them probably paid their way through college the regular way due to having a socio-economically privileged (again, relatively speaking to a boxer) upbringing.

Top wrestlers get scholarships very easily.

[Fulcrum29]

2 minute matches with 5 punches, wow you really don't know what you're talking about huh?

Seems like you don't know what you're talking about. Care to pull some punchstat statistics on strikes in an MMA match? Thought so..you'd be too embarrassed to do so.

[Fulcrum29]

Do you have a single FACT to back this up? Of course you don't, just stereotype-based bias.



Top wrestlers get scholarships very easily.

Do you have a single fact to back up any of your wild scholarship claims? No you don't..sadly.

[Drunken Cat]

Actually your argument is INVALID because an argument can only be logically valid if the research to formulate that argument was diligently done, in this case reading my post. But considering you admittedly didn't do said research, that unfortunately nullifies, negates, and invalidates your paltry and unresearched "argument" and relegates it to the half-assed dustbin of defensive reactionary attacks.

My comments were based on logic and research, that of a knowledge MMA and boxing fan.

Seriously though, I'm done with you. You've been repeatedly owned in this thread, and will continue to be owned, I imagine. As I said, you are simply spouting off preconceived biases, and everyone can see this except yourself.

[Mary Jane]

How about the economic elite minority doesn't give a **** about combat sports, period?