Boxing For the Under Privileged Masses, MMA for Socio-Economic Elite Minority

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  • Pullcounter
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    #21
    Originally posted by Fulcrum29
    I know Boxing vs. MMA is a tired topic, but there's one angle of it that few people have yet to point out that I think is a cogent argument.

    MMA will never match boxing for many reasons, but one of biggest is due to the fact that MMA can never tap that underprivileged demographic (which is sadly the majority in some senses - because let's be honest there's more underprivileged people than there are socio-economic "elites"). The reason being is that there are NO STORIES in MMA, there are no rags to riches heroes, no Kasim the Dream Ouma's, no Bernard Hopkins. If you look at every major MMA "superstar" they are all well to do caucasians with college degrees and good homely upbringings. Randy Couture was a wrestler during his studies at Oklahoma State, Chuck the "iceman" Liddell was a division 1 wrestler while attending Cal. Polytech University. Even the black fighters, let's take current super-star Rashad Evans as an example - he attended Michigan State University and wrestled for them.
    Now I'm not saying that an educated fighter is a bad thing, and I for one believe the Klitschkos with their PHD's and all are a good thing for boxing. But when you have a sport that consists of nothing but well to do, good upbringing, socio-economically superior fighters, it will never tug at the heart strings of the strong urban demographic that follows true sports like boxing.
    There is no grit nor street ferocity in an MMA match. When you pit two bachelor/master degree having "gentlemen" against each other it pales in comparison to the unbridled STREET FEROCITY and "nothing to lose" attitude of a socio-economically gimped boxer who came from the hood and probably never even garduated highschool. Take Zab Judah for example, for all his theatrics and immaturity at least they are REAL and GENUINE because he is from the gritty hood, whereas in MMA to achieve that same level of suspense they needed to hire a professional wrestler from the WWE (Brock Lesnar) who was the first MMA star to 'incense fans' with his faux-obnoxious stage personality.
    In fact Dana White has actually hurt the long term chances of MMA by cashing in on short term profits by hiring the likes of Brock Lesnar and Bobby Lashley straight from the WWE. While the short term profits soar when Lesnar fights, White is actually debasing the credibility of his fighters - the same which he spent years trying to build up as 'legitimate warriors.' But when you have a WWE star take over your best division in under 3 fights, then you know your actual 'fighters' never had much credibility to begin with.
    So in conclusion, MMA "fighters" will never have much credibility for toughness, grit, or 'street cred' amongst the vast demographic of underprivileged and non socio-economically "elite" fans. When the going gets tough, no one will expect a middle to upper class bachelor degree'd MMA "star" to ever become a true warrior like Arturo Gatti and leave his heart in the ring because he knows that boxing is all that he has and if he loses he will go back to poverty and squalor. In MMA, when a fighter loses he knows he can just go back to a 50-60k a year desk job with his upper class upbringing and college degree. So MMA fighters will always lack the basic carnal ferocity and no retreat, all out mentality of a true boxer.
    too long to read, but a lot of white trash (no offense) like mma more than rich white people.

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    • Fulcrum29
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      #22
      Originally posted by Hotsoup
      ****** thread, who cares where the fighters come from??Who cares if boxers come from the ****** and MMA fighters come from stable familys that **** doesn't matter.

      The reason we care is because Boxers most perfectly fit the mold of ancient gladiators. Gladiators were ****** fighting for their rights not well to do intellectuals with good upbringings and families. Boxers are gritty and fight for their lives in every bout. They are the true gladiators of modern combat sports.

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        #23
        Another thing, it's about supply and demand. For every one boxing gym, you'll find 10 MMA gyms. They can charge $100 a month and people will pay it. That is until more gyms open up and they are forced to lower their price.

        Being a boxing fan first and MMA fan second, i do admit that their is bigger interest amongst today's youth in MMA, but in no way do i believe that MMA will ever put boxing off the map.

        It all boils down to the product. Boxing is a better product then MMA. MMA has hit it's peak with it's current amatureish take on boxing with 4oz gloves. I never miss an MMA event but for the most part, most MMA fights are boring to watch. Once it evolves back on to the ground, and trust me it will, it will be even more boring.

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          #24
          Originally posted by Swoosh
          Another thing, it's about supply and demand. For every one boxing gym, you'll find 10 MMA gyms. They can charge $100 a month and people will pay it. That is until more gyms open up and they are forced to lower their price.

          Being a boxing fan first and MMA fan second, i do admit that their is bigger interest amongst today's youth in MMA, but in no way do i believe that MMA will ever put boxing off the map.

          It all boils down to the product. Boxing is a better product then MMA. MMA has hit it's peak with it's current amatureish take on boxing with 4oz gloves. I never miss an MMA event but for the most part, most MMA fights are boring to watch. Once it evolves back on to the ground, and trust me it will, it will be even more boring.
          Your theories on mma evolution are boldly insightful and accurate. However I think you made a mistake in the first part, it should be the other way around for every 1 mma gym you'll find 10 boxing gyms..etc.

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            #25
            Originally posted by Organik
            I didn't need to read the whole thing to respond in the way I did. It is not laziness if your writing failed to insight my interest, that one falls on the writer.

            I like how you dodged all of my post which contained actual substance.
            You always need to read something if you plan to respond to it without pure ignorance and folly. You failed to do so and thus your response was just ignorant and reactionary.

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              #26
              Originally posted by ColtraneChanges
              MMA doesn't have the history that boxing has IN THE US.

              We need to start thinking outside of our own country yall.

              There are streets in Brazil and Thailand that make Harlem look like Disneyland.
              We are talking about sports, not disciplines. Many disciplines have been around for centuries, but as a sport, MMA does not have the history that boxing has in any country.

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                #27
                Originally posted by Fulcrum29
                The reason we care is because Boxers most perfectly fit the mold of ancient gladiators. Gladiators were ****** fighting for their rights not well to do intellectuals with good upbringings and families. Boxers are gritty and fight for their lives in every bout. They are the true gladiators of modern combat sports.
                Lol at calling all MMA fighters intellectuals. Ancient gladiators didn't just throw punches, they used every technique in there power to beat there opponent same as MMA fighters.And most of the top wrestlers got there start because wrestling is offered free in public schools across america.

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                  #28
                  Originally posted by Swoosh
                  We are talking about sports, not disciplines. Many disciplines have been around for centuries, but as a sport, MMA does not have the history that boxing has in any country.
                  This is very true, as an organized SPORT or organization MMA doesn't have 1/10th of the history of Boxing.
                  Yes MMA is in its infancy but it's already shooting itself in the foot with short term profits over long term eligibility. Brock Lesnar, Kimbo Slice, etc these have been indelible black eyes on the craven face of MMA and will only lead to its eventual demise.

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                  • Swoosh
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                    #29
                    Originally posted by Fulcrum29
                    Your theories on mma evolution are boldly insightful and accurate. However I think you made a mistake in the first part, it should be the other way around for every 1 mma gym you'll find 10 boxing gyms..etc.
                    I live in California, but i would bet that if you were to find actual numbers on business, especially upstart, you would find that MMA gyms outnumber boxing gyms by a significant number.

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                    • street bully
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                      #30
                      More of the poor people I know are into MMA and not boxing. Ffs just look at boxing crowds and see the number of dignified people in the audience, now turn and watch MMA, bunch of stained t-shirt wearing peasants.

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