Is Mayweather troubled by southpaws?

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  • Burner
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    #51
    Originally posted by STILL_DETOX
    wat do u think?
    Hes beaten the **** out of every southpaw hes ever faced.....So no.

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    • RisAri0
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      #52
      corley and judah had pac stunned on the ropes...

      cuz I mean, if they can do it..

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        #53
        Originally posted by RisAri0
        everyone would or did have problems with calzaghe...and thats 1 out of 12 is it?..the southpaws B-Hop dominated.. and B-Hop has mentioned in countless interviews that he prefers fighting southpaws, its his specialty..
        i ain't putting doubt on bhop's greatness, I'm just saying everyone struggles against southpaws.

        Originally posted by The Gambler1981
        First of all, you don't need to be Sweet Pea to be a first rate left handed fighter and to me both Corley and Judah were world class lefties so to me that is first rate.
        corley and judah are world class, they wouldn't be if they didn't grab titles. but they are not first rate. these guys find ways to lose not win.

        If you want to have some crazy standard go ahead, but to me that is not really dealing in reality.
        it's not some crazy standard. simply put, judah and corley are not and will never be considered the best southpaws of there generation, much less all of boxing history. judah and corley lose against the best fighters they've evered faced. that's not shameful, but it just tells you they are not first rate southpaws. 10+ years from now, no one will be talking about judah or corley. they are not first rate.

        Floyd has some issues with lefties more so then orthodox fighters anyways, but I think that Floyd has gained valuable experiance against lefties so he should be able to do better against them. I also think the issue is kind of overblown but yea Floyd does have some issues with lefties but to me they don't seem that crucial.
        in other words: everybody struggles against southpaws.

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        • Pullcounter
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          #54
          Originally posted by RisAri0
          corley and judah had pac stunned on the ropes...

          cuz I mean, if they can do it..
          corley and judah never fought pac... u must mean pbf and/or cotto.

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            #55
            Originally posted by Pullcounter
            i ain't putting doubt on bhop's greatness, I'm just saying everyone struggles against southpaws.
            How can you say Hopkins has struggles against them when only one out of 12 did?

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              #56
              Originally posted by Pullcounter


              corley and judah are world class, they wouldn't be if they didn't grab titles. but they are not first rate. these guys find ways to lose not win.


              it's not some crazy standard. simply put, judah and corley are not and will never be considered the best southpaws of there generation, much less all of boxing history. judah and corley lose against the best fighters they've evered faced. that's not shameful, but it just tells you they are not first rate southpaws. 10+ years from now, no one will be talking about judah or corley. they are not first rate.


              in other words: everybody struggles against southpaws.

              To me first rate is just world class, Corley when he fought Floyd had only lost to Judah and while that fight was very ugly it was pretty close. Judah when he fought Floyd looked to be one of the best versions of Zab to ever set foot in a boxing ring. To me those are both first rate lefties those guys however are not Sweet Pea nor even Joe Calzaghe not even close, but still those guys were probably the top southpaw in each division when Floyd faced them. So to me that is first rate, but whatever we will not agree on this I guess.

              I would not really call it struggle, to me that is to strong of a word. There are issues that come with facing southpaws, whether a fighter strugges with them is another matter and to me Floyd only really struggled with Judah and that was only for a third of the fight.
              Last edited by The Gambler1981; 08-11-2009, 12:40 AM.

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                #57
                Originally posted by IMDAZED
                How can you say Hopkins has struggles against them when only one out of 12 did?
                because I go by facts. if hops had trouble with 0/12 southpaws then I would agree with you.

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                  #58
                  Originally posted by The Gambler1981
                  To me first rate is just world class, Corley when he fought Floyd had only lost to Judah and while that fight was very ugly it was pretty close. Judah when he fought Floyd looked to be one of the best versions of Zab to ever set foot in a boxing ring. To me those are both first rate lefties those guys however are not Sweet Pea nor even Joe Calzaghe not even close, but still those guys were probably the top southpaw in each division when Floyd faced them. So to me that is first rate, but whatever we will not agree on this I guess.

                  I would not really call it struggle, to me that is to strong of a word. There are issues that come with facing southpaws, whether a fighter strugges with them is another matter and to me Floyd only really struggled with Judah and that was only for a third of the fight.
                  ok so you are arguing semantics...

                  bottomline, corley and judah are not top 20 all time southpaws.

                  bottomline, corley and judah gave floyd problems, but floyd overcame them.

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                    #59
                    I dont think he has trouble with southpaws, PBF doesnt really get going until the later rounds, Corley and Judah are fast starters..And Judah was to fast for PBF in the first 5 rounds, but once PBF feeled them out it was over he picked both of them apart, plus he has a lighting quick straight right which is the perfect weapon againts any southpaw.

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                      #60
                      Originally posted by Pullcounter
                      corley and judah never fought pac... u must mean pbf and/or cotto.
                      yea i meant floyd...but both now that u mentioned cotto...just realized that both opponents both troubled floyd n cotto...which can make an argument of how manny can finish a hurt or stunned opponents better than anyone in the biz right now
                      Last edited by RisAri0; 08-11-2009, 12:55 AM.

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