Five Reasons Miguel Cotto Can Defeat Manny Pacquiao article

[MikeT86]

This articles fails for one reason--if these are indeed valid reasons--it doesn't really matter whether or not Cotto is damaged goods --he should be able to win regardless given these aforementioned reasons by the writer, right? So saying "Miguel Cotto is an underdog against Manny Pacquiao" is baseless and without merit.

And the writer just contradicted himself:

Ring Generalship

"Cotto is an underrated boxer. He can box well from the outside, as well as fight on the inside. He makes good in-fight adjustments. In this fight, he will need to cut the ring off without taking too much damage. Cotto will need to corner the faster Pacquiao, and make him pay once on the inside."

This whole paragraph infers that Cotto would have to be sound both body and mind to be an "underrated boxer" and to have ring generaliship. Don't you agree? So how exactly is Cotto an underdog because the general public says so?

Because underdog is a comment on perception not ability. Specifically it's based on betting odds.
Remember Ali was an 8-1 underdog against Liston because no one thought he could survive Liston's power, looking back on it we can see Ali clearly out classed Liston but he was still the underdog.

[Gutz]

This articles fails for one reason--if these are indeed valid reasons--it doesn't really matter whether or not Cotto is damaged goods --he should be able to win regardless given these aforementioned reasons by the writer, right? So saying "Miguel Cotto is an underdog against Manny Pacquiao" is baseless and without merit.

And the writer just contradicted himself:

Ring Generalship

"Cotto is an underrated boxer. He can box well from the outside, as well as fight on the inside. He makes good in-fight adjustments. In this fight, he will need to cut the ring off without taking too much damage. Cotto will need to corner the faster Pacquiao, and make him pay once on the inside."

This whole paragraph infers that Cotto would have to be sound both body and mind to be an "underrated boxer" and to have ring generaliship. Don't you agree? So how exactly is Cotto an underdog because the general public says so?

I dont understand how Cotto is the underdog in this fight... 2years ago.. people would laugh at the idea of Pac fighting Cotto..

Cotto is a true WW and Pac can still fight at LW...

I think now the fight should be very close.. Both got the skill and power to hurt each other..

[Talisayen]

They dont get much dumber bro

I think hugging Cotto's nuts makes you dumb!!!

[swizz]

this will be a good fight. they are both great warriors who come to fight, hopefully Cotto will come out with the W but if it goes pac way i ll give him props. this imo is a 50-50 fight.

you know thats what i been saying

[rao007]

Because underdog is a comment on perception not ability. Specifically it's based on betting odds.
Remember Ali was an 8-1 underdog against Liston because no one thought he could survive Liston's power, looking back on it we can see Ali clearly out classed Liston but he was still the underdog.

Granted that may be the case--why is that in a recent pole in this forum, which mind you had a signficant number of votes, had a result by large margin showing that a victory over Pacquiao would be a "great win"--yet, I'm sure that a large portion of those voters would decry, denounce, and denigrate Pacquiao's achivements. Peculiar if you ask me.

They're willing to say it's a "great win" and say Pacquiao is an overhwhelming favourite. What they're doing is splitting hairs. It's either they give Pacquiao credit or not for his past victories.

And if they're willing to cite valid reasons (size, strength, boxing skills) to explain a Cotto victory--why do they (in this forum) need to chastize every single Pacquiao bout only to say it would be a great win for Cotto? To me, I see idiots for both sides of Pacquiao and Cotto fan base.

[jazluvr]

Every forum has it's share of idiots and ******s. And good, fair-minded, objective, respectable posters. It's the nature of the internet. Keyboard warriors are a dime a dozen.

[Talisayen]

Every forum has it's share of idiots and ******s. And good, fair-minded, objective, respectable posters. It's the nature of the internet. Keyboard warriors are a dime a dozen.

talking about idiot keyboard warriors, you're right there on the top.

[Beater_of_ass]

talking about idiot keyboard warriors, you're right there on the top.

And what you just did is nobel prize worthy material?

I agree with the article as well as those who say people are underestimating Cotto. The guy has had 2 extremely tough fights and he didn't look the best in, no denying that. However, as someone stated 2 years ago this fight would have been laughed at, but now its legitimate and even more shocking Cotto is the underdog. How is that possible?

The simple answer is that 2 years ago, Cotto was winning and in very solid looking fashion. Manny was winning but in tough close fought battles. The same exact thing is happening now except the roles are reversed. Paq is looking like a beast and Cotto is looking worn down, so the obvious choice is to go with Paq. There is no way that's going to change, people, especially ****** people of which there are a lot just in this thread, only see how good someone looks winning, and the better you look the better you must be as a fighter. Simply put, Manny's last 3 fights have not been against great opposition and he looked perfect, as he should have. Yet, two of these fighters were considered greats, Oscar an ATG, and yet those guys combined couldn't last as long as Diaz.

The last time Manny was in there against a solid fighter, at a healthy weight, with a good chin, with good boxing ability, who was in his prime and was able to time him Manny did not look nearly as good as he does now. In fact, him fighting Cotto would have been laughed it. On the other side of the coin we have Cotto, quite frankly a guy who has never really been appreciated in his career for one reason or another. I have to say the main reason is "Because he gets hit/hurt a lot." This is boxing, you're going to get hit, hurt, stunned and be exposed at some point in your career. Cotto is viewed as some... B-Class by a wide variety of people for this exact reason, and yet he's still beating A-Class and an ATG in Shane Mosley. Why exactly does he have this stigmata? Because he doesn't look as good doing it as Mayweather or Manny has and the reason for that? Its because he fights NOTHING but the best, and when you fight the best, no one is going to look as good as Manny or Paq has lately.

That being said, its still a close fight. I see Cotto getting the win by late KO or decision, not because of size, but because of timing. Cotto has shown far too many times that speed does not bother him, if it did he wouldn't have been able to beat Mosley, Judah or Malignaggi. Essentially, this fight can go either way for both fighters for the same reason in my view. Neither one of them, are one dimensional. Its going to come down to who can offset the others strengths, and that's who is going to win this fight. If Cotto can't over power Manny, will Cotto be able to outbox him? If Manny's speed/movement isn't a problem with he be able to pressure Cotto into submission? I think Cotto will have an easier time outboxing Manny, than Manny will have an easier time pressuring down Cotto, and for that reason I give the edge to Cotto. Both guys are great great fighters and either one can win, I just think Cotto is better all around than Manny and can do enough to handle whatever Manny can dish out.

[jazluvr]

talking about idiot keyboard warriors, you're right there on the top.

Reported...again. I never even infered you in this crowd, and you just can't stop flaming other members. I don't feed into negative or useless arguments, flaming or personal attacks. We had an agreement to ignore each other. You broke it.

[Talisayen]

Reported...again. I never even infered you in this crowd, and you just can't stop flaming other members. I don't feed into negative or useless arguments, flaming or personal attacks. We had an agreement to ignore each other. You broke it.

you lost me after the word even!!!