Khan Not Interested in Hatton, Eyes American Dream

[Dave Rado]

Thats a typical example of why i try to avoid boxing forums.

Someone who is obviously new to the game talking garbage with enough conviction to believe its gospel.

Best wins against past their best fighters like Jeff Lacy who at the time was 21-0-0 a champion and 'americas next big thing' or perhaps Kessler? who is universally recognised as the number 1 supermiddleight NOW.

Kostya Tszyu on a thirteen fight winning streak and only beaten once prior, Castillo only a couple of fights after his demolition of corrales?

I think people who have opinions should at least let them be informed ones.

Calzaghe beat Lacy in his 41st professional fight at the age of 34.

Hatton beat Tszyu in his 39th professional fight, when he was 25. And winning streak or not, Tszyu was past his prime, as was Castillo.

Khan has has only had 22 professional fights and is only 22 years old. When Calzaghe and Hatton were at that stage of their careers they had not achieved anything meaningful - and were still three years away from winning their first major titles.

You should practice what you preach - "I think people who have opinions should at least let them be informed ones."

[pcr405]

Froch is late 20's and who heard of him before last year????

Khan is well ahead of the game.

[HattonFaithful]

Froch is late 20's and who heard of him before last year????

Khan is well ahead of the game.

actually Froch is early 30's he just turned 32

[PhillyG]

Calzaghe beat Lacy in his 41st professional fight at the age of 34.

Hatton beat Tszyu in his 39th professional fight, when he was 25. And winning streak or not, Tszyu was past his prime, as was Castillo.

Khan has has only had 22 professional fights and is only 22 years old. When Calzaghe and Hatton were at that stage of their careers they had not achieved anything meaningful - and were still three years away from winning their first major titles.

You should practice what you preach - "I think people who have opinions should at least let them be informed ones."

You have lost me completely or rather I believe YOU'RE lost completely.

Calzaghe beat Lacy in his 41st professional fight at the age of 34.

Surely its an even greater feat if Calzaghe was to beat a younger undefeated champion.

Khan has has only had 22 professional fights and is only 22 years old.

So what's your point here? that Khans career defining fight is and always will be against Kotelnik?

His original point was that Calzaghe and Hattons best wins were against past their prime fighters?

I respect Khan for this decision. He is not like Calzaghe and Hatton, protected european hyejobs. Who's best win are against past their prime fighters.

At the time of the fight -
Jeff Lacy 21-0-0 2-1 FAVOURITE in bookies.
IBF super middleweight title
IBO International Boxing Organisation super middleweight title

At the time of the fight -
Kostya Tsyzu 30-1-0 4-1 FAVOURITE in bookies.
WBC light welterweight title
WBA Super World light welterweight title
IBF light welterweight title

Can you really say a fighter unbeaten in 8 years and a current reigning 3 time world champion viewed by the bookies as a 4 to 1 favourite as past it? REALLY? You can say he's past it AFTER he loses his belts sure..

"When Calzaghe and Hatton were at that stage of their careers they had not achieved anything meaningful"

Fight 22 Amir Khan beats the easiest pickings out there in Kotelnik.
Fight 23 Joe Calzaghe beats the legend that is Chris Eubank.
Fight 23 Ricky Hatton knocks out Tony Pep for WBU light weltweight belt aged 22 and younger than khan was by a cpl of months albeit not as prestigious as the WBA.

Besides I wasn't even arguing who/is/will be better. Simply giving great fighters the recognition they deserve and not letting idiots write off their whole careers in a sentence. I think Khan has done a fantastic job achieving what he has. I refuse to hold him in as high regard as either Calzaghe or Hatton until he achieves what they achieved. I believe hes in the best hands with Roach to stand any chance of doing that.

Fact is Calzaghe passed every challenge he faced. He is and always will be a legend and will be obviously be inducted into the hall of fame.

Ricky Hatton, never reached the heights Calzaghe did but still up to this point has only been defeated by two fighters who were both at the time regarded as THE best fighter in the world.

You should practice what you preach - "I think people who have opinions should at least let them be informed ones."

Thats almost laughable. Not only was the information correct first time round but I watched these fights first hand. That would surely give me an informed opinion.

I was at the Calzaghe - Eubank fight.
I was at the Hatton - Tyzu fight.
I was at the Khan - Kotelnik fight.

were you?

[PhillyG]

dang this guys first post and he's already makin a lot of sense

Thanks man.

Dave Rado doesn't... haha!

[Dave Rado]

So what's your point here?

That Khan has achieved more at this stage of his career (aged 22, with 22 professional fights) than either Calzaghe or Hatton had achieved at the same stage of their careers. No amount of bluster on your part will change that fact. Comparing the career resumé of a 22 year old with those of two fighters at the end of their careers is absolutely ridiculous. The only meaningful comparison is between his record after 22 fights and their record after 22 fights.

And if you really think that any title holder is "the easiest pickings out there" you've lost all credibility. Kotelnik may not have been the best title holder but he is a still a good fighter who recently beat Maidana, who himself recently beat Ortiz. There are far worse fighters in the world that Kotelnik. To pretend he's the world's worst fighter is just ******.

And comparing a WBU title with a world title is just silly.

[Dave Rado]

Thanks man.

Dave Rado doesn't... haha!

Then you should learn some reading comprehension.

[PhillyG]

That Khan has achieved more at this stage of his career (aged 22, with 22 professional fights) than either Calzaghe or Hatton had achieved at the same stage of their careers. No amount of bluster on your part will change that fact. Comparing the career resumé of a 22 year old with those of two fighters at the end of their careers is absolutely ridiculous. The only meaningful comparison is between his record after 22 fights and their record after 22 fights.

And if you really think that any title holder is "the easiest pickings out there" you've lost all credibility. Kotelnik may not have been the best title holder but he is a still a good fighter who recently beat Maidana, who himself recently beat Ortiz. There are far worse fighters in the world that Kotelnik. To pretend he's the world's worst fighter is just ******.

And comparing a WBU title with a world title is just silly.

Comparing the career resumé of a 22 year old with those of two fighters at the end of their careers is absolutely ridiculous

At what point did I do that?

Besides I wasn't even arguing who/is/will be better. Simply giving great fighters the recognition they deserve and not letting idiots write off their whole careers in a sentence

And if you really think that any title holder is "the easiest pickings out there" you've lost all credibility.

tripping over yourself left right and centre

. And winning streak or not, Tszyu was past his prime, as was Castillo.

So let me get this right your point has absolutely nothing to do with my original post whatsoever? NOTHING...

and after dissing me for not practicing what I preach... were all the details in my original post correct? YES...

and did you miss the point of the original poster? yes..

Which would be what? a problem with 'reading comprehension.'

Then you should learn some reading comprehension.

I at no point said Kotelnik was the easiest fighter in the world. He was the easiest pickings for khan thats pretty much undisputed throughout boxing circles.

The other champions he could of faced were Juan Manuel Marquez, Edwin Valero, Juan Urango and Kendall Holt..

now you are telling me I am losing all credibility for saying Kotelnik is the weakest link out of them 5 names?

You're making yourself look ******. Basically you decided to diss me, you don't really know what your argument is or where its leading to. The more you post, the more people will read this and the more people will realise what verbal diarrohea you post. As its so evident you want people to think you know what you're talking about, it's probably wise to just let this thread disappear and don't embarass yourself further with a reply.

[BetterCallSaul]

Khan is the p4p no1. Just to negate some of the hate he recieves.

[Weebler I]

PhillyG killin it in this thread

Hatton/Calzaghe are modern greats