Rjj Legacy!

[oldgringo]

Obviously Jones is one of the best boxers I have seen he was just lacking in one department apparently and neither Toney or Hopkins had the power to exploit it.

The hardest puncher in the world could have fought Jones and wouldn't have done **** to him. He was outta there before he was hit cleanly. Power didn't mean ****. You actually had to get to him and hit him which was almost ****in impossible. The only thing I see beating a prime Jones would be a relentless swarmer with one hell of a beard and great composure.

[Super_Lightweight]

hmm

Roy's chin and abilities in his prime are a lot different than today. Just look at the Griffin rematch and see how focused and lethal Roy was. Look at his swiftness and bravado in the Hall fight.

Compare those fights to the Tarver rematch and Johnson fights.

Two different guys.

[ophqui]

rjj's legacy wasnt diminished by his getting ko'd (was Holmes' legend status gone when tyson ko'd him?). His legacy was ruined by the fact that he was an immensly skilled technical fighter who ducked most of his serious competition during his heyday

[Super_Lightweight]

lol

His legacy was ruined by the fact that he was an immensly skilled technical fighter who ducked most of his serious competition during his heyday

Totally untrue and simple-minded.

[Neuraxis]

You can't really fault him for going back to lightheavy. Many people DEMANDED that he fight Tarver and insisted that he was ducking Tarver.

The simple fact is, you are holding Roy to a different standard than DM, which isn't fair at all. Dariusz has NEVER fought outside of Europe that I know of, and he certainly hasn't fought in the states, so what does that say about him? He could have done much more to fight good fighters by coming here.

I'm just using the same arguments you're using against Roy. It's easy to say someone should have fought this guy or that guy. Maybe McClellan would have had his shot vs Roy, but he got beat by Benn and had to quit boxing, plus he and Roy were friends and maybe never would have fought anyway.

Dm was a very good fighter, so you should hold him to the same standards you do Roy.

DM has fought in 3 countries and RJJ has fought in just 1. Yes they are obviously both great fighters, and they could have fought if RJJ wouldn't have demanded a 70-30 split even when the fight was going to be in the U.S. I think that Jones is fighting Harding and if he get's by him and if DM get's by Tiozzo they really should just fight and get all of this over with even though they are both well past their primes.

[aand]

Is he retired right now or just ducking to see what will happen in the close future?

[Super_Lightweight]

hmm

Yes they are obviously both great fighters, and they could have fought if RJJ wouldn't have demanded a 70-30 split even when the fight was going to be in the U.S. I think that Jones is fighting Harding and if he get's by him and if DM get's by Tiozzo they really should just fight and get all of this over with even though they are both well past their primes.

I never heard anything about a 70/30 split for Roy, but that wouldn't surprise me. I still would like to see some proof. The United States is very big and the fact that DM fought in 3 different countries doesn't make the fact that he was unwlling to come to the U.S. to fight Roy any better.

Does it really surprise you that Roy would get more of the money had they fought? Roy was the one bringing in the dollars, especially in the United States. That 30% still would have been a lot of money, the most DM ever made for one fight alone.

It's just a rumor that Roy will fight Harding, and I haven't heard Roy say it himself so I can't really believe it. If DM and Roy fought now I think we all know what it would mean, regardless of who won...nothing.

My basic point is, at the very least, Roy is no more at fault for that fight not happening than DM is.

[Neuraxis]

I never heard anything about a 70/30 split for Roy, but that wouldn't surprise me. I still would like to see some proof. The United States is very big and the fact that DM fought in 3 different countries doesn't make the fact that he was unwlling to come to the U.S. to fight Roy any better.

Does it really surprise you that Roy would get more of the money had they fought? Roy was the one bringing in the dollars, especially in the United States. That 30% still would have been a lot of money, the most DM ever made for one fight alone.

It's just a rumor that Roy will fight Harding, and I haven't heard Roy say it himself so I can't really believe it. If DM and Roy fought now I think we all know what it would mean, regardless of who won...nothing.

My basic point is, at the very least, Roy is no more at fault for that fight not happening than DM is.

Who's supposed to get more money, the champion or the challenger? I thought it was the champion, but I could be wrong. And seeing how DM was the linear champion the split should have at least been somewhat even. DM was the man who beat the man first. And you have to admit that it would have been pretty much impossible for DM to get a decision win vs. RJJ in the U.S. The fact that the judges had it 77-75, 77-75, and 78-74 when Roy really won one or maybe two rounds, and the others were Glen Johnson blow outs pretty much proves this fact. They should have fought in a neutral country like the U.K.

I always heard that it was 70-30, but this place says 60-40. http://east2westsports.com/index_files/Page330.htm