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Originally posted by K-Yo
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he wasnt a paper champ... he was one of the best in the 90's... juss sad that it ended like it did... but dont doubt his accomplishments...Comment
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To all the haters out there, Tell me one guy you don't think Roy could beat in his prime. The Jones that beat Toney and Hill and Pazienza and Hopkins was unstoppable.Comment
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I haven't doubt: Roy Jones Jr was the best p4p in his era (1990-2000 decade) and one of the greatest of all time.Comment
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How about a list of everyone he never and should have fought, Nunn, Rocchigiani, Jackson, Michalczewski, Jirov, Sanders, McClellan, Benn, V. and W. Klitschko, Lewis, and Byrd, ie except Byrd and Rocchigiani anyone with power who could KO him. I got hand it to him though, he knew his limitations and he was very smart about who to fight and who he shouldn't fight.Originally posted by Solo322Comment
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So why didn't your hero Dariusz fight them then, buddy? Please get a clue. If DM wanted to fight Roy he could have come to America to do it. German judges protect their fighters big time, whether by bribery or "patriotism". Sven Ottke is a perfect example of this. The only thing DM did was beat Roy's left-overs.How about a list of everyone he never and should have fought, Nunn, Rocchigiani, Jackson, Michalczewski, Jirov, Sanders, McClellan, Benn, V. and W. Klitschko, Lewis, and Byrd, ie except Byrd and Rocchigiani anyone with power who could KO him.
I doubt you'll find more than 5 people on here who believe DM would have beaten Roy in his prime. Roy was the legitimate lightheavyweight champion, and not DM. Roy was the champ by title, popular opinion, and most importantly, Ring Magazine.
Roy's resume could have been better, but so a lot of fighers'. Why should Roy have fought Lewis? Why Byrd? Why Klitschko? Are you seriously trying to take away from Roy's legacy for not fighting KLITSCHKO? Get out of here, dude. Lewis didn't even want to fight Roy, and why would he? If he gets beat, it makes him look bad, and if he wins, he did what he was supposed to do by beating the smaller man. No-win situation for Lewis and that's why he didn't want the fight.
For you to assume the only reason some of those fights didn't happen was due to Roy, and that Roy NEEDED to fight guys like Klitschko to improve his legacy, makes you an ass, plain and simple.Comment
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Paper champ? who did Vitali win the title off Corrie Sanders, it wasnt exactly the hardest opponent all though it was nice to see Vladimir get whooped by him. Then for his 1st defence he fights Danny Williams a guy who was fightin for British domestic titles at the start of the year, i think you are mad because Roy Jones will be remembered in a few years as a great fighter and the only thing Vitali will be remembered as is that white guy who was Lennox Lewis' last opponent. Jones beat Toney the first man to do so and he was the last guy to beat Hopkins. Vitali is ruling what can be considered the weakest division in boxingComment
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DM fought Rocchigiani, the rest were at lower weight classes besides Nunn. He was at cruiserweight well before Jirov was the champ and regardless he never called any of those people out. Something happened to my DM vs. RJJ poll, but it was pretty even.Originally posted by Super_Lightweight
I guess you need explain why DM finished off Hall, Harmon, and Griffin faster by calling them RJJ leftovers, but maybe you are right. I could understand your dislike of European judging, but DM had one decision win from 1996-2003 which was the Hill fight, and he only had 7 decision wins during his entire career.
Roy fought the weakest of 4 heavyweight champions (Byrd, Lewis, and W. Klitschko) and then vacated the title once Vitali had become his mandatory.Comment
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Obviously Jones is one of the best boxers I have seen he was just lacking in one department apparently and neither Toney or Hopkins had the power to exploit it.Originally posted by K-YoComment
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duh
You can't really fault him for going back to lightheavy. Many people DEMANDED that he fight Tarver and insisted that he was ducking Tarver.Roy fought the weakest of 4 heavyweight champions (Byrd, Lewis, and W. Klitschko) and then vacated the title once Vitali had become his mandatory.
The simple fact is, you are holding Roy to a different standard than DM, which isn't fair at all. Dariusz has NEVER fought outside of Europe that I know of, and he certainly hasn't fought in the states, so what does that say about him? He could have done much more to fight good fighters by coming here.
I'm just using the same arguments you're using against Roy. It's easy to say someone should have fought this guy or that guy. Maybe McClellan would have had his shot vs Roy, but he got beat by Benn and had to quit boxing, plus he and Roy were friends and maybe never would have fought anyway.
Dm was a very good fighter, so you should hold him to the same standards you do Roy.Comment
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