Rjj Legacy!

[Soko]

Hey guys,

I always respect the amount of knowledge and passion for boxing on this board. I can't think of a fighter who's legacy has been hurt and diminshed faster than RJJ, can you guys think of any? My question is, where do you think he would have been ranked amongst the all timers had he retired after the Ruiz fight? I feel that had he done that he'd be ranked amongst the top 5 fighters of all time. Now I dunno what to think.

[+= El Jefe=+]

Hey guys,

I always respect the amount of knowledge and passion for boxing on this board. I can't think of a fighter who's legacy has been hurt and diminshed faster than RJJ, can you guys think of any? My question is, where do you think he would have been ranked amongst the all timers had he retired after the Ruiz fight? I feel that had he done that he'd be ranked amongst the top 5 fighters of all time. Now I dunno what to think.

2 knockouts in a row dimmish your legacy
real fast, but i still think RJJ is one of
the Fastest fighters ever, if he had more boxing skills
he would have been unstopable, but he lost his phyasicall
ability and he started going down hill.
thats why i admire someone like Hop
bacause even tho e got old he can still box.

[Crouching Tiger]

Had he retired after Ruiz, he would be a living legend and could be enshirned as the best P4P boxer ever for a long, long time. Tsk-tsk...just 2 KOs, coming at the tail-end of a brilliant career and all fame and glory's gone.

Which is very unfair. Much like Evander, he deserves all the respect and recognition for his enormous and remarkable contribution to boxing and for being one of, if not, the best in his class of his era.

[Super_Lightweight]

hmm

Had he retired after Ruiz, he would be a living legend and could be enshirned as the best P4P boxer ever for a long, long time. Tsk-tsk...just 2 KOs, coming at the tail-end of a brilliant career and all fame and glory's gone.

It truthfully means little to nothing. Someone's perspective may be that it's significant, but it really isn't when you consider the factors. I'm sorry, but popular opinion isn't what determines a legacy, facts do. And it's a fact that Roy was great, IS one of the all-time greats, and would have whipped both Johnson and Tarver in his prime.

That should be obvious to everyone. Bert Sugar is one of the oldest and most respected boxing historians around and he says it doesn't hurt Roy's legacy at all.

Hindsight is 20/20, as the saying goes. Hindsight bias is definitely at work here. People who prayed and hoped Roy would lose were finally right, just like a blind mouse finds cheese every now and then.

There were PLENTY of people who said, even just after the Ruiz fight, that they did not like Roy and that he's not an all-time great. It should be no surprise that they would say that now. Don't let those opinions sway you too much.

Roy WAS great, and all great fighters encounter that moment in which they are no longer great. Will Hopkins' legacy be damaged if he loses badly to Jermain Taylor this year? No. I will tell you why...Bernard is FORTY! lol...if you cannot use age as a legitimate reason for losing when you are FORTY then when the hell can you use it?

Fighters get old, and that's one thing that has happened to Roy, although I certainly can understand the argument that he was extrinsically motivated to fight and that sped up his downfall. Any way you slice, you can't point to just one thing and say "that's why Roy is gone". There are many issues to look at. Life is complex, the world is complex, and so is boxing.

No matter what you may think, it is COMPLETELY erroneous and simple-minded to say that "Roy has no legacy and his past fame and glory meant nothing".

[Slipx]

roy also cheated, did steroids, and doubts himself to this day.

and the fact that he didn't face a single opponent on his level for a decade, and blantantly ducked Nigel Benn, make him un great. he is simply a good fighter that cheated on his road to the top, much like golata.

[Crouching Tiger]

No matter what you may think, it is COMPLETELY erroneous and simple-minded to say that "Roy has no legacy and his past fame and glory meant nothing".

Good post! I also happen to write on the last part of my post:

"Which is very unfair. Much like Evander, he deserves all the respect and recognition for his enormous and remarkable contribution to boxing and for being one of, if not, the best in his class of his era."

The first part of my post is just an echo of other people's opinions. That last part is MY own opinion, my true feelings towards RJJ. For your info, I am a huge, huge fan of RJJ, very much like yourself I presume!

[Neuraxis]

[Eyeh8you]

roy also cheated, did steroids, and doubts himself to this day.

and the fact that he didn't face a single opponent on his level for a decade, and blantantly ducked Nigel Benn, make him un great. he is simply a good fighter that cheated on his road to the top, much like golata.

except Golotas never held a belt in his life! Well maybe that'll change very soon! RJJ legacy is hurt bad!

[K-Yo]

Roy Jones Jr (Record= 49-3, 38 KO's)

Middleweight champion of the world
SuperMiddleweight champion of the world
LightHeavyweight champion of the world
Heavyweight Champion of the world

Ring p4p fighter of the year: 95, 96, 98, 99, 02, 03

2 KO's earlier in his career maybe would have effected his legacy but not after someone has acheived all this, he can be forgiven for losing his hunger.

[ottoevans]

greatest fighter of our era, unles ur old and saw Ali fight