Real Fighters to be considered ATG....and why.

[Animalistic 3.0]

You know prime Oscar would of fought and destroyed both of them.

Maybe Margacheato, but Cotto is very skilled and I doubt Oscar would have "Destroyed him" like you said. Also you need to remember that De La Tota lost all his big fights all the way from Trinidad to Hopkins he lost all the big legacy fights in his career. One big body punch from Cotto and Oscar starts running like a biatch!

[MANGLER]

Boxing knowledge Mangler......we as fans (I know you are) know about all the great ones, whether by ear, actually seeing the fight, or reading up on. I would fall under the "by ear" category...pops' and all the uncles would always watch fights on TV and talk about the "good ole days" when boxing was boxing....BETA Tapes are actually lying around my grandfather's basement right now of fights....c'mon now...being on here to discuss boxing is not that important in my life as to create a "My Docs" folder....

But I do like to "hear" other peoples' opinions and takes on fighters and their status/ potential.

This **** is all about peoples' opinions, so they can have whoever ranked wherever. It only has to make sense to them. Cuz it's their opinion, they don't really have to justify it. But when they start quotin it as fact, it gets fuzzy. Don't proclaim 'fighter x is top 25 ATG' without listin and explainin the guys who are ranked 1-24 on your list. That's why I don't **** wit these discussions much. No way to precisely place a fighter above and below any other fighter. **** is open to endless interpretation homey. Don't get it twisted bro. I ain't suggestin everybody keep a saved list, that's ******. I meant they sound like they do by the way they talk about the ****.

[Mr. Fantastic]

Maybe Margacheato, but Cotto is very skilled and I doubt Oscar would have "Destroyed him" like you said. Also you need to remember that De La Tota lost all his big fights all the way from Trinidad to Hopkins he lost all the big legacy fights in his career. One big body punch from Cotto and Oscar starts running like a biatch!

LOL Cotto is skilled but he isn't skilled when fighting backwards. He will respect Oscar's power. The Oscar vs Cotto would look like the Oba Carr fight.

He didn't lose all his big fights. That's like saying Cotto lost all of his big fights cause he lost to Margarito. Yes I know he beat Shane but you could say Shane wasn't in his prime right??

Cotto is good but he isn't great.

[fightfan_79]

Oscar De La Hoya

If he would of been a cherry picker like the so called ATG we have now, he would of been higher. He fought just about everyone. 6 Divisions being a champion in, isn't anything just anyone can do.

I agree to a degree....Oscar is "great"...but not ATG great....I would put Oscar in the top 10 of our generation, but he wouldn't crack my top 25.
He has failed in EVERY big fight....Pac = L, Floyd = L, BHOP = L, Shane = LL, Tito = L.......his problem was that as soon as he became Golden "promoter" Boy...the fighter in him died.

[Mr. Fantastic]

I agree to a degree....Oscar is "great"...but not ATG great....I would put Oscar in the top 10 of our generation, but he wouldn't crack my top 25.
He has failed in EVERY big fight....Pac = L, Floyd = L, BHOP = L, Shane = LL, Tito = L.......his problem was that as soon as he became Golden "promoter" Boy...the fighter in him died.

EVERY BIG FIGHT?? Are you really serious???

Why don't you count..............

Whitaker - big fight
Hernandez - big fight
Chavez 1 & 2 - big fights
Vargas - big fight
Quartey - big fight
Gonzalez - big fight

Enough with this bull**** of not winning his big fights......funny how they only count his losses as big fights but don't claim his wins.

At least he didn't fight cops and trash collectors like Roy Jones. Biggest wins didn't come against blown up guys like Bernard. Didn't cherry pick like Floyd Mayweather. Didn't stay in a division and beat up bums only to fight 2 out of prime so called greats like Calzaghe.

[Animalistic 3.0]

LOL Cotto is skilled but he isn't skilled when fighting backwards. He will respect Oscar's power. The Oscar vs Cotto would look like the Oba Carr fight.

He didn't lose all his big fights. That's like saying Cotto lost all of his big fights cause he lost to Margarito. Yes I know he beat Shane but you could say Shane wasn't in his prime right??

Cotto is good but he isn't great.

Cotto is very skilled fighting backwards. Watch the Margacheato fight he was putting an amazing boxing display in the first 6th rounds. Then he got tired but you can blame that on the broken nose and Margarito plaster. Cotto would given prime De La Hoya a great fight and could beat him with the right game plan. I am not sure De La Hoya can handle Cotto's versatility. Cotto can be a brawler, a counter puncher or a boxer.

Still Cotto beat a man De La Hoya lost too and Mosaley yes was not the same young guy but he was still elite.

Cotto is great.

[Mr. Fantastic]

Cotto is very skilled fighting backwards. Watch the Margacheato fight he was putting an amazing boxing display in the first 6th rounds. Then he got tired but you can blame that on the broken nose and Margarito plaster. Cotto would given prime De La Hoya a great fight and could beat him with the right game plan. I am not sure De La Hoya can handle Cotto's versatility. Cotto can be a brawler, a counter puncher or a boxer.

Still Cotto beat a man De La Hoya lost too and Mosaley yes was not the same young guy but he was still elite.

Cotto is great.

LOL Hell no he isn't. Shane Mosley is better fighting backwards than Cotto. Cotto is too offensive oriented. Yea Yea Yea Cotto is your god so he can fight with one hand too I bet.

Jesus you Cotto dudes never stfu about your crying. Dude still has that loss, quit crying.

DLH lost to that guy in his prime. Big difference. Cotto wouldn't touch Mosley's jock if Mosley was in his prime.

[catalinul]

Mayweather - Still has time to validate his "self-proclaimed" ATGness....follow thru on his "wish list" and he'll get the nod from me.

Hopkins - Entering the much latter years of his career, but has been performing like a "hot prospect". His close Loss to Slappy proved that he can still mix it up against a very un-orthodox fighter. Dominating wins over Pavlik and Tarver impressed me.....his Losses against Taylor were understandable as Taylor (back then) was the "next big thing".

Marquez - You have to give it up to Marquez. Pacquiao was the best thing to happen to Marquez. If you put Pac on the ATG list...Marquez goes right behind him....their 2 fights alone are instant "classics"....Marquez has consistenly taken on younger (cept Casamayor), fresher competition and has dominated them in devestating fashioin (cept CJ). Battles against Barerra, and being ducked by other top fighters (Prince Nasim) goes to show that he is great.

I don't rank Mayweather on what he promises to do.

Hopkins's loss to Calzaghe or the 2 to Taylor look terrible on his already overrated resume but they were all close.
Wins over Tarver and Pavlik don't get you in the top 20 ATG.

Just because Marquez had classics with Pacquiao you don't rank him right behind him.That's unreasonable and no logic.
Old Barrera doesn't make much for his resume.

[Animalistic 3.0]

EVERY BIG FIGHT?? Are you really serious???

Why don't you count..............

Whitaker - big fight
Hernandez - big fight
Chavez 1 & 2 - big fights
Vargas - big fight
Quartey - big fight
Gonzalez - big fight

Enough with this bull**** of not winning his big fights......funny how they only count his losses as big fights but don't claim his wins.

At least he didn't fight cops and trash collectors like Roy Jones. Biggest wins didn't come against blown up guys like Bernard. Didn't cherry pick like Floyd Mayweather. Didn't stay in a division and beat up bums only to fight 2 out of prime so called greats like Calzaghe.

Whitaker - old and past his prime
Hernandez - big fight? Not really big
Chavez 1 & 2 - big fight? Maybe the first one but not the saecond one.
Vargas - big fight? Yeah i think maybe this was big.
Quartey - big fight
Gonzalez - big fight? Not really big.

None of those fights were legacy fights like Trinada and Hopkins among others

[Mr. Fantastic]

Whitaker - old and past his prime
Hernandez - big fight? Not really big
Chavez 1 & 2 - big fight? Maybe the first one but not the saecond one.
Vargas - big fight? Yeah i think maybe this was big.
Quartey - big fight
Gonzalez - big fight? Not really big.

None of those fights were legacy fights like Trinada and Hopkins among others

You want me to get into Cotto's biggest fights?? Most of them are Vacant Belt Fights.

His legacy fight with Margarito....he lost.