For those who thinks Manny fights Past Prime fighters...Come to school

[PACBOY]

solis was in his prime...he was unbeaten too


sasakul was in his prime...he had a belt


ledwaba was in his prime...he had a belt


velasquez was in his prime....he was a tuneup


the first JMM fight, juan was in is prime....he had a belt


david diaz was pretty prime too...he had a belt

lucero was pretty prime as well

more great PRIME EXAMPLES

[Don Johnson]

Fighters after fighting Manny seem to lose something more than the fight. So people are quick to say they were shot before fighting Manny...That seems to be a lie. Just to name a few...
Barrera won 8 straight before fighting Manny!
Morralas fought 8 fights only losing once to Barrera before fighting Manny.
DLH Lost 2 out of 8 fights...Floyd Mayweather & Bernard Hopkins. Both great fighters.
Diaz has won 9 straight fights before Manny. His only 2 losses to Manny & Holt.
Hatton...45 fights only losing to Floyd and Pacquiao.
JMM 7&1 the one loss out of that 7 , to Manny.

None of these fighters at the time of fighting Manny showed NO signs of being Past Prime.

wasn't solis undefeated before manny beat him? Oscar Larios was a good fighter too.

[PACBOY]

Dehydration became the issue before the ass kicking..hence why Roach told Manny to hop on him right away..

He saw the I.V. shots had been put in for DLH to rehydrate..he was done before the fight even started..

DLH had no idea he couldn't rehydrate. The post fight physical regardless if you feel bad or good ..the blood work can show dehydration to the body and a IV of electrolytes is common for a boost. Credit for Roach to bring it out. If he didnt we today would have seen that fight and to hear it from DLH could have been taken as an excuse. Roach said it first. After the fight DLH never mentioned he felt Dehydrated, until post fight interviews. HMMmmm? After the fight he just said Manny was too fast and was a great fighter. Larry Merchant asked DLH if he felt weak and he never said he did.!!!

[..WaRSpencE..]

DLH had no idea he couldn't rehydrate. The post fight physical regardless if you feel bad or good ..the blood work can show dehydration to the body and a IV of electrolytes is common for a boost. Credit for Roach to bring it out. If he didnt we today would have seen that fight and to hear it from DLH could have been taken as an excuse. Roach said it first. After the fight DLH never mentioned he felt Dehydrated, until post fight interviews. HMMmmm? After the fight he just said Manny was too fast and was a great fighter. Larry Merchant asked DLH if he felt weak and he never said he did.!!!

How would DLH look bringing up dehydration after losing?..BITTER!..

You don't have to ask him..you can see it..it was extremely obvious..DLH of 97,98,99 would have put PAC TO SLEEEEEEP!! ZZZzzzZZzZzZzz!!!

DLH was not himself in there..props to Pacquiao for jumping at the opportunity as quickly as he did..in a great fashion..but DLH helped him look that great..just like Hatton helped Pac too by trying to push Pac back with his hands at his waist!..

[Motofan]

MAB and Morales were on the slide. Go watch a ****ing fight. They werent shot, but they were slipping. Its clear to any honest eyes who watched them over the years. Diaz was MADE for someone like Manny. He was a decent B class fighter and a weak champ. Oscar was shot to **** and weight drained. Even your vice-lord Freddy Roach admits this. Most people had JMM winning one if not both fights. No matter what they were close. And Hatton wouldnt beat Pac no matter when they fought. Pac was just better all around. So Hatton and Diaz are the only ones he beats if they are prime. All the others beat him in their respective primes. But what do I know? Ive only seen all these guys from the very beginning.

[PACBOY]

How would DLH look bringing up dehydration after losing?..BITTER!..

You don't have to ask him..you can see it..it was extremely obvious..DLH of 97,98,99 would have put PAC TO SLEEEEEEP!! ZZZzzzZZzZzZzz!!!

DLH was not himself in there..props to Pacquiao for jumping at the opportunity as quickly as he did..in a great fashion..but DLH helped him look that great..just like Hatton helped Pac too by trying to push Pac back with his hands at his waist!..

Thats what great fighters do. The seize the oppotunity and take advantage of each others weakness. Great fighters see whats going on in that ring and they seek and destroy. A BorC class fighter may not see what a A+ fighter sees and dont jump when they are supposed to.
Hatton is a good fighter. Manny is a better fighter. Manny seen a opening and took it real fast got his man hurt and finished him.
You think these fighters make Manny look good is a compliment but Manny made it happen and looked to good doing it. With good game good Quality opponents.

[PACBOY]

MAB and Morales were on the slide. Go watch a ****ing fight. They werent shot, but they were slipping. Its clear to any honest eyes who watched them over the years. Diaz was MADE for someone like Manny. He was a decent B class fighter and a weak champ. Oscar was shot to **** and weight drained. Even your vice-lord Freddy Roach admits this. Most people had JMM winning one if not both fights. No matter what they were close. And Hatton wouldnt beat Pac no matter when they fought. Pac was just better all around. So Hatton and Diaz are the only ones he beats if they are prime. All the others beat him in their respective primes. But what do I know? Ive only seen all these guys from the very beginning.

You are obliviously in real denial. Having trouble understanding? Do your home work !You watch the ****in fights and look at the stats leading up to the fights with Manny. Not one fighter was shot. All of them were on winning streaks. I don't know what rock you live under but here in the real world we call that In Prime Condition. How the **** can they be slipping when they keep winning. Thats just plain out right DUMB!

[Beater_of_ass]

Fighters after fighting Manny seem to lose something more than the fight. So people are quick to say they were shot before fighting Manny...That seems to be a lie. Just to name a few...
Barrera won 8 straight before fighting Manny!
Morralas fought 8 fights only losing once to Barrera before fighting Manny.
DLH Lost 2 out of 8 fights...Floyd Mayweather & Bernard Hopkins. Both great fighters.
Diaz has won 9 straight fights before Manny. His only 2 losses to Manny & Holt.
Hatton...45 fights only losing to Floyd and Pacquiao.
JMM 7&1 the one loss out of that 7 , to Manny.

None of these fighters at the time of fighting Manny showed NO signs of being Past Prime.

You need to learn how to research man, because you are flat out WRONG or LYING about DLH's record coming into the Manny bout. If you want to go by 10 fights we can seems a bit much but I'll use it.

In 10 fights DLH was 7-3, which isn't really... bad per se, however, if we only go back 6 he was 3-3. That is just terrible, it shows he was on the decline it just only very few people thought it made a difference because of the weight. The fact is it shows that he was past his prime, you can tell that my just the people he lost/won to.

Steve Forbes - Win
Mayweather - Loss
Mayorga - Win
Hopkins - Loss
Sturm - Win
Mosley - Loss

He beat B class fighters, however, he could never beat a PvP best and/or elite fighter. It proved DLH was a great fighter, but he wasn't ever really THE best, or at least in the last 2 years of his career. The reason he looked/appeared better than what he was, is because all his fights in loses are for the most part very close, or at least extremely exciting. Also, it may appear that DLH wasn't past his prime before the Manny fight, but the Manny fight showed that he WAS past his prime. Sure, the weight may have had a lot to do with it, but DLH accepted that deal and no matter how you put it, it was nowhere near the best DLH to have stepped in the ring.

Hatton, is a B class fighter plain and simple. As was Gatti, but I take nothing away from either man. They put on great fights, had massive heart and were beloved. They were great to watch but not necessarily the best of their era, there is ZERO wrong with that, but Manny should have and did beat Hatton for that reason, he was great to watch, but not all that great skill wise. I'm not taking anything away from Paq, I'm just not giving him the extremely overblown amount of praise he is getting from everyone else and that apparently makes you a hater. I give Manny credit for everything he's done pre-Diaz, with MAB, Morales and JMM, and I feel the judges got both fights correct. The man is the best pound for pound fighter in the world, but eventually pounds do start to matter at some point and I don't know if Manny can handle the power at WW.

[..WaRSpencE..]

You are obliviously in real denial. Having trouble understanding? Do your home work !You watch the ****in fights and look at the stats leading up to the fights with Manny. Not one fighter was shot. All of them were on winning streaks. I don't know what rock you live under but here in the real world we call that In Prime Condition. How the **** can they be slipping when they keep winning. Thats just plain out right DUMB!

So...

Cotto's win over Jennings and Gomez are GREAT WINS?..

Gomez had had only had 1 loss and 1 draw in his previous 8 fights before Cotto and that loss was at Middleweight!!..Cotto WHOMPED this Prime fighter..

and Jennings with a record of 34W-1L..had 6 straight wins right before Cotto and his only loss being via SD..and Cotto DEMOLISHED this PRIME young lad..

No..simply NO!..see what I mean?

[damned]

MAB and Morales were on the slide. Go watch a ****ing fight. They werent shot, but they were slipping. Its clear to any honest eyes who watched them over the years. Diaz was MADE for someone like Manny. He was a decent B class fighter and a weak champ. Oscar was shot to **** and weight drained. Even your vice-lord Freddy Roach admits this. Most people had JMM winning one if not both fights. No matter what they were close. And Hatton wouldnt beat Pac no matter when they fought. Pac was just better all around. So Hatton and Diaz are the only ones he beats if they are prime. All the others beat him in their respective primes. But what do I know? Ive only seen all these guys from the very beginning.

I think what people are not seeing is that Manny has easy victories when it comes to LEFT HAND CONVERTED fighters who fight in orthodox stance-ala Oscar De La Hoya, Ricky Hatton,and soon to be Miguel Cotto.It puts the impression that he can beat anyone and that his current accomplishments are phenomenal.No matter what-styles make fights,and Manny will destroy Cotto,but will always have problems with people who have a strong right hand.Manny's best asset is his left hand,and when fighting left hand dominant fighters who fight in orthodox stance,it allows him to use his straight left with major success.I do not believe he ever beat Marquez,and I think Mayweather will beat him over a ud.