hagler vs jones

[Super_Lightweight]

also

I should add that prime Hagler beats the version of Leonard that "won" against him in Hagler's last fight.

[GasPed]

Back in the day, Marvelous Marvin was my favorite fighter. Very technical, gifted with skills, smarts and big heart. But there's no way he beats a prime Roy Jones. I don't think even prime Sugar Ray Robinson could do it (admittedly I've never seen SRR live, only old tapes). Hagler was the best middleweight of the late 70's - early 80's, Roy Jones may have been the most talented boxer the world has ever seen. I don't want to sound like a nut-hugger, but there's a difference between the best fighter in a decade and a once-in-a-lifetime talent, and Roy was the latter...

[Palma]

Jones would easily outpoint hagler. Jones is bigger, faster and stronger. The only area Hagler wins in is his chin.

Sonny is that you?? Haven't seen one of your threads in a while now. How are things?

[The Noose]

hmmmmm, er....
mmmmmmm....
errrrm.... Jones.... maybe

No, no, Jones definatly!

[TyrantT316]

Jones was so confident and a monster at 160...not sure if Hagler would have won

[FistFest]

Hearns is a tall and bigger puncher than Jones but he still got creamed by marvelous marv. Hagler had a close loss to a moving spitfire like Leonard. What I mean here is he was able to handle a big hitter and a fast defensive specialist. A prime Hagler will beat Jones through sheer patience and pressure. Hagler by UD or late stoppage.

[tyson]

Jones was so confident and a monster at 160...not sure if Hagler would have won

How can anyone be sure?
If you ask any old guy, they would say Hagler.
Ask any young guy, and he probobly would say Jones.
Well, due to scientific development of all sports over the years, boxing today is far more advanced than 25 years ago. So is football, soccer, skijumping etc.
Therefore it would be logical to say that the best fighters today would beat the best fighters of yesterday.
A fast runner in the 60's would be a slow runner today, right?
A strong puncher in the 60's would be average today, right?

Well, those things can make it seem like an obvious choice when it really isn't.
Because however you look at it, there's some things that doesn't develop themselves in boxing.
Heart, for example. And chin.
Talent...
Those are the things we look at when we pick a great yesterday-fighter to beat a great modern-day fighter, because surely there would be a no-contest in terms of strength, speed and general boxing understanding?

When it comes to endurance, modern day fighters have technology, methods, eating habits, powder to help increase stamina etc.
Hence it would be foolish to think that the stamina would present a problem for the modern-day fighter.

That is why we have to rely on chin, heart and talent if we pick the old guy to win over the new guy, isn't it?
So when it comes down to Jones and Hagler, the one place we have to aim for if we're going to pick Hagler to win, would have to be Jones' weak chin right?
I think Hagler had the pressure style needed to get to Roy's chin, and he had the chin to actually withstand the superior speed, power, technique and endurance Jones possessed.
Some of you might say that he could outwork Jones to earn a point decision, but I belive the chin is the reason for that. If Roy had a great chin, he wouldn't have to be worried about counter-attacks would he? Therefore he could let his hands go in a faster, harder pace than Hagler to prevent Hagler from outworking him, right?

Yes, but Roy doesn't have the great chin, does he?
I think the only reason Hagler could win is because of chin and mental toughness. But I think it's such an significant part of boxing that I would have to favor Hagler in a match-up 8 times out of 10.
In a boxing exhibition, Roy wins hands down.
Amateur fight, same result.
Professional price-fighting over 12-15 rounds, Hagler by narrow margin.

[Super_Lightweight]

hmm

Roy doesn't really have a weak chin in his prime. He messed up his whole body when he came down from heavyweight, and that perfect shot by Tarver (which would never have caught Roy had Roy not been 35 and did damage to his body by losing muscle) also permanently affected Roy's ability to resist concussion.

Against Hagler, who's not as big a punhcer as Ruiz or Tarver, nor is he a tall counter-puncher like Tarver, I don't see Hagler being able to get to Roy enough to win the fight. Roy just knows how to get out of the way and use the ring and his feet to do so.

[tyson]

Roy doesn't really have a weak chin in his prime. He messed up his whole body when he came down from heavyweight, and that perfect shot by Tarver (which would never have caught Roy had Roy not been 35 and did damage to his body by losing muscle) also permanently affected Roy's ability to resist concussion.

Against Hagler, who's not as big a punhcer as Ruiz or Tarver, nor is he a tall counter-puncher like Tarver, I don't see Hagler being able to get to Roy enough to win the fight. Roy just knows how to get out of the way and use the ring and his feet to do so.

Might be, my friend, might be

[SonnyG8R]

Sonny is that you?? Haven't seen one of your threads in a while now. How are things?

Hey Palma how's it going bud. Yeah it's me, Sonny. I just felt like a change. Everything is going pretty good here in Sonny land. I'm enjoying watching the growth of taylor and Cotto. I think these two are going to be a great shot in the arm to boxing.