141-147 might be Welterweight BUT

[larry x]

145 wont drain cotto..but im like this pacman you can weight what you want..dont tell me i cant weight 147 then want a 65/35 cut then have the balls to say i gotta put my belt up aswell..wtf??? does he think cotto is his ***** now??

[MJ406]

your right pink it's not some crime against humanity or anything (the Cotto-Pac fight at 145)

and yes Cotto does have a paper belt

in the grand scheme of things the fight won't be made or broken on it being for the WBO title or not

the fight will still happen .. it'll just be for the title or not, and that's all there is too it, right?

**I just think it would suck if Manny's chance at history was ruined because of a catchweight

but the fight'll still happen, so onward we go.

im just posting this topic as a response to all the condescending comments I see about

"141-147 is welterweight" ... okay all that really does is state the obvious

or a "147 isn't a division" ... again I don't think anyone referred to 147 being equivalent to Welterweight ... after all Cotto weighed in @ 146 in his last fight uh oh, lol.

I mean even if you didn't read or agree with what I wrote

point blank it's factual .. and has a lot more validity then say some of the rude opinions that just mock other people, and insult on a persons intelligence.

**and Mike what's with the over sized picture?

is their anything in the definition of Welterweight that I left out?

im not giving my opinion on what the Welterweight division is

i just felt obligated to look it up myself in response to all the smart alec remarks.

[MANGLER]

Who cares? I get what TS is sayin 4 sho, but this **** is old. The fight is on and no belt is at stake, so it's gravy I guess. We gonna be seein 15 threads on this per day til November I bet.

[PACBOY]

Holy**** these cotto stans are a bunch of ****in babies....STFU with the bitching and moaning and crying... Its gonna be a good fight...Cotto will come up on the **** end of the stick but still it will be a good fight. Not because Cotto is a bad fighter...Because Manny is way better...Not weight nor belt can deny that

[MJ406]

me and u were havin this discussion yesterday in a thread...its a matter of time before its plagued with posts backed by no logic

oh yeah man what's up? I recall the thread+discussion and this topic kind of over laps

just waiting to be plagued with non logical posts, lol.

but what I find more annoying, and it's something recent I've come across in these forums (and it's happened on 2 occasions)

posters will comment you back and use something you didn't say, as an argument against you.

I mean I've heard the saying "having your own words used against you"

but getting bitched out for something you didn't say is just lame, lol.

[Ravishing]

your right pink it's not some crime against humanity or anything (the Cotto-Pac fight at 145)

and yes Cotto does have a paper belt

in the grand scheme of things the fight won't be made or broken on it being for the WBO title or not

the fight will still happen .. it'll just be for the title or not, and that's all there is too it, right?

**I just think it would suck if Manny's chance at history was ruined because of a catchweight

but the fight'll still happen, so onward we go.

im just posting this topic as a response to all the condescending comments I see about

"141-147 is welterweight" ... okay all that really does is state the obvious

or a "147 isn't a division" ... again I don't think anyone referred to 147 being equivalent to Welterweight ... after all Cotto weighed in @ 146 in his last fight uh oh, lol.

I mean even if you didn't read or agree with what I wrote

point blank it's factual .. and has a lot more validity then say some of the rude opinions that just mock other people, and insult on a persons intelligence.

**and Mike what's with the over sized picture?

is their anything in the definition of Welterweight that I left out?

im not giving my opinion on what the Welterweight division is

i just felt obligated to look it up myself in response to all the smart alec remarks.

There are more people excited about this fight than not, and Im one who is dying to see this fight.

But you have to consider that the weight issue is without question in favor for Pacquiao. That's not to say he's some type of ***** or anything, but it's also ironic that he fought Oscar at 147 and not Cotto (who's one of the actual champs in the division).

Now, Im not one of those dude who goes around ****ting on Pacquiao because he's also one of my favorite fighters. But I find it odd how many of the Pac crazies can't answer this question: Why was the fight made at a limit of 145lbs and not a genuine WW match up (with the limit being 147)? It shouldn't be a hard question to answer.

[MJ406]

There are more people excited about this fight than not, and Im one who is dying to see this fight.

But you have to consider that the weight issue is without question in favor for Pacquiao. That's not to say he's some type of ***** or anything, but it's also ironic that he fought Oscar at 147 and not Cotto (who's one of the actual champs in the division).

Now, Im not one of those dude who goes around ****ting on Pacquiao because he's also one of my favorite fighters. But I find it odd how many of the Pac crazies can't answer this question: Why was the fight made at a limit of 145lbs and not a genuine WW match up (with the limit being 147)? It shouldn't be a hard question to answer.

good point.

that's also what I want to know. im not gonna attach my opinion to it

that question, in green what's the answer?

not pigeon holing anyone into a response

but why is the fight at 145 and not 147?

[WhoreUs]

i think most would rather see this fight at 147.

i think most though would agree it's a fair fight at 145.

no point arguing about it anymore. what we think don't matter.

it's what manny , miguel , roach , arum thinks that does.



i think it'll be for a belt btw. hbo and top rank will want to be able to bill this fight as a "championship fight" and "pacquiao challenges for another belt".

it'll be good promotion and could help draw some more casual fans.

miguel is not scared to put up the title. he just doesn't want to pay the wbo fees.

they'll work something out in the end and the belt will be on the line.

[Ravishing]

i think most would rather see this fight at 147.

i think most though would agree it's a fair fight at 145.

no point arguing about it anymore. what we think don't matter.

it's what manny , miguel , roach , arum thinks that does.



i think it'll be for a belt btw. hbo and top rank will want to be able to bill this fight as a "championship fight" and "pacquiao challenges for another belt".

it'll be good promotion and could help draw some more casual fans.

miguel is not scared to put up the title. he just doesn't want to pay the wbo fees.

they'll work something out in the end and the belt will be on the line.

I don't think they're going to put the belt on the line simply because in the case that Cotto loses, there's a very good possibility that Pacquiao would relinquish the belt almost immediately. That leaves Bob Arum with just one star champion to promote instead of two. It's Arum's bargaining chip to use with Cotto (now that's he's signed him for another 2 years).

[WhoreUs]

I don't think they're going to put the belt on the line simply because in the case that Cotto loses, there's a very good possibility that Pacquiao would relinquish the belt almost immediately. That leaves Bob Arum with just one star champion to promote instead of two. It's Arum's bargaining chip to use with Cotto (now that's he's signed him for another 2 years).

trust me they'll put it. every promoter/tv network wants to bill a fight a "world championship". that's the reason there are so many belts. for tv.

bob will just have to pay the sanctioning fees for cotto or give cotto a little more money.

if cotto losses , he can still fight shane for shane's belt or fight for a vacant belt with marg.

this fight is a win-win for arum no matter who wins.