141-147 might be Welterweight BUT

[MJ406]

yes there was a thread title before with the "141-147 is Welterweight"

explaining, if you didn't already know, that any weight in the above range = Welterweight

can't argue against that, it's a fact. as given the hypothetical example if WBC Junior Welterweight Champion Tim Bradley came in weighing 145 for a Jun. Welt. title defense

he would be 5lbs overweight, and since he's too heavy for Junior Welter, his weight (145) would be the next division up, which is Welterweight.

we get it, no problem there.

and as for the other smart ass that said "there's no 147 Division"

your absolutely right, you can weigh in at 146 for a welterweight title fight, and still fight for a Welterweight title ... the definition said up to 147 ..as long as a fighter isn't over 147, he should be good.

however I looked up 3 definitions of Welterweight (2 dictionary's and dictionary.com)

and every single one of those definitions the weight of 147 pounds is part of the Welterweight definition.

so while there might not be a specific "147 division" welterweight is defined as a division with a max weight of 147.

with that in mind, putting a catchweight of 145 in essence changes the definition of Welterweight, because instead of a max weight of 147, it's changed to the catchweight.

contracts aside, fighting at 145 still is Welterweight, since it's under 147

but making a catchweight bout where 145 is the max you can weigh, changes the original Welterweight definition which has a 147 pound limit.

[KittenFlaps]

Well put. Still, it's worth it to see Cotto and Pac fight, right?

[onedream722]

yes there was a thread title before with the "141-147 is Welterweight"

explaining, if you didn't already know, that any weight in the above range = Welterweight

can't argue against that, it's a fact. as given the hypothetical example if WBC Junior Welterweight Champion Tim Bradley came in weighing 145 for a Jun. Welt. title defense

he would be 5lbs overweight, and since he's too heavy for Junior Welter, his weight (145) would be the next division up, which is Welterweight.

we get it, no problem there.

and as for the other smart ass that said "there's no 147 Division"

your absolutely right, you can weigh in at 146 for a welterweight title fight, and still fight for a Welterweight title ... the definition said up to 147 ..as long as a fighter isn't over 147, he should be good.

however I looked up 3 definitions of Welterweight (2 dictionary's and dictionary.com)

and every single one of those definitions the weight of 147 pounds is part of the Welterweight definition.

so while there might not be a specific "147 division" welterweight is defined as a division with a max weight of 147.

with that in mind, putting a catchweight of 145 in essence changes the definition of Welterweight, because instead of a max weight of 147, it's changed to the catchweight.

contracts aside, fighting at 145 still is Welterweight, since it's under 147

but making a catchweight bout where 145 is the max you can weigh, changes the original Welterweight definition which has a 147 pound limit.

me and u were havin this discussion yesterday in a thread...its a matter of time before its plagued with posts backed by no logic

[onedream722]

Well put. Still, it's worth it to see Cotto and Pac fight, right?

the fight should be awesome!!!

[mikelovesfood]

yes there was a thread title before with the "141-147 is Welterweight"

explaining, if you didn't already know, that any weight in the above range = Welterweight

can't argue against that, it's a fact. as given the hypothetical example if WBC Junior Welterweight Champion Tim Bradley came in weighing 145 for a Jun. Welt. title defense

he would be 5lbs overweight, and since he's too heavy for Junior Welter, his weight (145) would be the next division up, which is Welterweight.

we get it, no problem there.


and as for the other smart ass that said "there's no 147 Division"

your absolutely right, you can weigh in at 146 for a welterweight title fight, and still fight for a Welterweight title ... the definition said up to 147 ..as long as a fighter isn't over 147, he should be good.

however I looked up 3 definitions of Welterweight (2 dictionary's and dictionary.com)

and every single one of those definitions the weight of 147 pounds is part of the Welterweight definition.

so while there might not be a specific "147 division" welterweight is defined as a division with a max weight of 147.

with that in mind, putting a catchweight of 145 in essence changes the definition of Welterweight, because instead of a max weight of 147, it's changed to the catchweight.

contracts aside, fighting at 145 still is Welterweight, since it's under 147

but making a catchweight bout where 145 is the max you can weigh, changes the original Welterweight definition which has a 147 pound limit.

[WhoreUs]

who cares?

it's a good fight at 145.

pac is at 140. cotto is at 147.

whatever they compromiseto in between those 2 weight classes is fair enough.



it doesn't matter if the belt is on the line either. it's a paper belt.

it'd be nice for pacquiao to win it for another title to add to his resume but really who gives a ****.

[WhoreUs]

captain picard knows what's up.

[Ravishing]

Someone else posted something about Cotto being scared to put his title on the line and what not.

But my thing is if you're defending a title, shouldn't the challenger be the one who has to abide by the demands of the weight class? In this case, why should Cotto defend his title where the limit if 147 and give the challenger a bone and make the weight lower to benefit the other fighter?

The TS couldn't seem to answer the question though (not the one on this post). I personally don't care about the catchweight because i think it's fair, but if I were Cotto I wouldn't let either the WBO or Pac's team try to punk me into defending the title on their terms. That's just insane.

Either way though, nobody really cares about any titles in this fight. This is just eye candy for all of us come Nov 14th.

[onedream722]

Someone else posted something about Cotto being scared to put his title on the line and what not.

But my thing is if you're defending a title, shouldn't the challenger be the one who has to abide by the demands of the weight class? In this case, why should Cotto defend his title where the limit if 147 and give the challenger a bone and make the weight lower to benefit the other fighter?

The TS couldn't seem to answer the question though (not the one on this post). I personally don't care about the catchweight because i think it's fair, but if I were Cotto I wouldn't let either the WBO or Pac's team try to punk me into defending the title on their terms. That's just insane.

Either way though, nobody really cares about any titles in this fight. This is just eye candy for all of us come Nov 14th.

yeah check that thread me and the TS were trying to make ur point clear but to no avail

[WhoreUs]

Someone else posted something about Cotto being scared to put his title on the line and what not.

But my thing is if you're defending a title, shouldn't the challenger be the one who has to abide by the demands of the weight class? In this case, why should Cotto defend his title where the limit if 147 and give the challenger a bone and make the weight lower to benefit the other fighter?

The TS couldn't seem to answer the question though (not the one on this post). I personally don't care about the catchweight because i think it's fair, but if I were Cotto I wouldn't let either the WBO or Pac's team try to punk me into defending the title on their terms. That's just insane.

Either way though, nobody really cares about any titles in this fight. This is just eye candy for all of us come Nov 14th.

the title will be on the line. arum will see to it. (he , hbo and the wbo want to be able to bill this as a "world championship" to the casual fans)

cotto just doesn't want to pay the horrendous sanctioning fees. nothing to do with being "scared" to put his title on the line.

cotto will either end up paying it or arum will pay it.

the wbo's crooked ass will probably threaten to strip him of the belt if he doesn't put it on the line anyway. they want their money! crooked ass orgs.