Tomasz Adamek Likely Headed to Heavyweight Division

[TheGreatA]

Which is why he uses the clinch which is the right move to do. He tries to prevent that sometimes by keeping his distance and stepping back with the jab.

Wlad is in complete control of understanding his abilities now which helps him to be so dominate.

Agreed although most of Wladimir's opponents don't really even try to force him to fight that kind of a fight. No heavyweights today fight like Bonavena and Frazier used to.

[TheGreatA]

Wlad can't fight on the inside because he's never learnt how to. He needs to protect that delicate chin and keep it away. Look at Williams, the guy towers over his opponents and loves to go to the inside to rip the body.

Rid**** Bowe too.

I don't think Eastern European trainers ever teach boxers to fight on the inside, atleast not here in Finland they don't. Wladimir's current trainer Steward never does that either (see for example Hearns, McClellan, McCrory).

Wladimir should of course use his advantages from a distance but it would have made him a more complete fighter had he learned how to handle himself in close.

He does understand how to clinch and how to control distance and thus he is never put in a situation where he has to fight it out against an opponent, unlike for example Alexander Dimitrenko who was punished by Chambers' combinations and uppercuts.

[Walt Liquor]

Rid**** Bowe too.

I don't think Eastern European trainers ever teach boxers to fight on the inside, atleast not here in Finland they don't. Wladimir's current trainer Steward never does that either (see for example Hearns, McClellan, McCrory).

Wladimir should of course use his advantages from a distance but it would have made him a more complete fighter had he learned how to handle himself in close.

He does understand how to clinch and how to control distance and thus he is never put in a situation where he has to fight it out against an opponent, unlike for example Alexander Dimitrenko who was punished by Chambers' combinations and uppercuts.

Vassily Jirov, maybe he learned it in Arizona, but I think he knew before.

[Walt Liquor]

Disagree. Without the knockdowns, that's Cunningham's fight. He was winning most of the exchanges. Adamek was the better man with the better chin, but a rematch between Cunningham and Adamek makes the most sense.

Knockdowns are knockdowns for a reason. Bad excuse.

HOWEVER, the fight was close as hell with the three knockdowns and I think every fan out there who saw the first fight wants to see the rematch. Cunningham looked like crap against big truck to me (he was very tentative and hesitant). But I think he just wasn't up for the fight.

Adamek isn't going to make a splash at HW, I believe, and I like him a lot. He should run the CW's for awhile and make his make on boxing by dominating a division, not sacraficing himself to the elite HW's. Chambers outboxes him and Arreola KO's him brutally.

[The Hammer]

Ali's reach was measured at 78 inches:

Boxrec lists Ali's reach as 80" now. They used to list it as 82".

But not only did he have a wingspan advantage over virtually everybody he fought, his arm length advantage was even greater (his shoulders were not especially broad, but he had unusually long arms.

His wingspan was about the same as Wladimir, but Ali's arms were longer than Wlad's. But then, Rahman, Thompson, Austin and many others have longer arms than Wlad too. I was surprised when HBO announced Chris Byrd's arm length as equal to Wlad's.

[The Hammer]

Rid**** Bowe too.

I don't think Eastern European trainers ever teach boxers to fight on the inside, atleast not here in Finland they don't. Wladimir's current trainer Steward never does that either (see for example Hearns, McClellan, McCrory).

Wladimir should of course use his advantages from a distance but it would have made him a more complete fighter had he learned how to handle himself in close.

He does understand how to clinch and how to control distance and thus he is never put in a situation where he has to fight it out against an opponent, unlike for example Alexander Dimitrenko who was punished by Chambers' combinations and uppercuts.

Lots of east Europeans fight well on the inside: Povetkin and Boytsov, for example. Wlad can fight very well on the inside too, watch his Barrett and Jefferson fights.

[βetamax]

Tale of the Tape:

Wlad's reach: 80

http://www.hbo.com/boxing/events/2006/0422_byrd_klitschko2/tale/index.html

Boxing Records has it at 81

http://www.boxrec.com/list_bouts.php...7035&cat=boxer


29" measuring just 1 arm and not full reach like old school method was???

Remember, Tyson and Tua had to punch up against taller opponents. Being smaller worked to their advantage but also worked against them.

"Reach" can be deceptive since it's usually measured as wingspan opposed to actual arm length. Wingspan includes the width of the back and finger length. So if someone has a wide back their wingspan could be longer then their opponent yet they could have shorter arms.

If Muhammed Ali had short arms like Bonaventa and Marciano, he's wouldn't have been anywhere near as successful.

Ali's reach: 80"
Marciano's reach: 67"

If Tua and Tyson had Lennox's height (about the same as Wlad) and 29" arms, would it have made a difference?

Lennox's reach: 84"
Tyson's reach: 71"
Tua's reach: 70"

I can play the same game.

If Wlad was short like Bonaventa and Marciano, he's wouldn't have been anywhere near as successful.

Wlad's height: 6'6"
Marciano's height: 5'10"

If Tua and Tyson had Wlad's height (about the same as Lewis) and 26" arms, would it have made a difference?

Wlad's height: 6'6"
Tyson's height: 5'10"
Tua's height: 5'10"

[TheGreatA]

Vassily Jirov, maybe he learned it in Arizona, but I think he knew before.

I don't think he was as much of an inside fighter/body puncher in the Olympics, then again no one is. Good call though, Adamek vs Jirov would have been a really great fight.

[TheGreatA]

Lots of east Europeans fight well on the inside: Povetkin and Boytsov, for example. Wlad can fight very well on the inside too, watch his Barrett and Jefferson fights.

I don't think either Povetkin or Boytsov are what I'd describe as "inside fighters".

Povetkin and Boytsov throw combinations mostly from mid-range, like Tyson used to.

Look at this for example:

[TheGreatA]