Why is it that when a fight suppposed to be competitive...

[sweetpea87]

That is true. The De La Hoya vs. Trinidad was supposed to be the biggest fight in years and it failed to live up to the hype.

[The Gambler1981]

You sould learn something from every fight so if a fighter fails to meet expectation you really need to take a look at what expectation you placed on a fighter.

It is basically admitting you were wrong in a round about way. Bum is an over used term anyways, journeyman or not top class would be a better use of words.

[F l i c k e r]

Ends in a KO in the first 3 rounds, or a 12 round clinic the loser is always saud to be overrated, even though they were supposed to either win the fight, or make it very competitive on paper?

Examples could be Manny Pacquiao against Oscar Dela **** and Ricky Hatton. If he had went easy on the for a few rounds then picked it up he would have been called the greatest thing since sliced bread, but he does what he is supposed to do and whoops ass from round one and makes both his bitches and then gets labeled as overrated.

Another example is Bernard Hopkins. On paper he was supposed to lose to Trinidad, Tarver, Winky, and Pavlik, and a good percentage said he would get destroyed and lose by KO to three of these four fighters. What does he do? Being the professor he is, even though he is older than all of them, and is well into his 40's he puts clinics on and makes all of them look like fools leaving each of them heartless and taking their sould and ruining their careers in the process. After each legacy making win the opponents who were each at the best points of thier careers are seen as overrated wins, and people somehow expect even more froma 44 year old man who just put ona clinic against a P4P fighter.

One more example could be Paul Williams. He loses a close fight to Quintana, gets busted up a bit. All the while he has a mowhawk, and the brothers here will know that, if a brother has a mowhawk he has been partying it up with white girls the day before, hence P Will not being properly prepared for the fight. Following that what does he do? He moves his training camp from a beach resort to DC trains properly, and then brutalizes Quintana in the opening round with 30 unanswered punches in a fight most said he would lose, and even get stopped in. But seeing how impressive he looked, he is lablled as being overrated since he got it done in 1 instead of 8. He then moves up 2 divisions to 160 to fight a top 3 MW in Winky Wright, and shuts him out in a 11-1 landslide victory over an opponent who has never been humiliated in his career, not to mention Williams has spent most of his career at 147. But seeing how spectacular he looked the excuses were made, and the Wright win was seen as overrated.

I guess the only way a fighter can not be overrated is if they go through hell to win a la JMM vs Diaz and finish their fight late after taking damage rather than destroying their competition, or schooling them.

You know making sense is not allowed at Boxing Scene.

[Dambala]

Yeah, this makes me think about Calzaghe/Hopkins. When Joe beat B-Hop everyone claimed that he beat an old man, then B-Hop schooled Pavlik and then he's great again. So Joe never got any credit.

[-EX-]

Yeah, this makes me think about Calzaghe/Hopkins. When Joe beat B-Hop everyone claimed that he beat an old man, then B-Hop schooled Pavlik and then he's great again. So Joe never got any credit.

Well he was an old man...a past prime great fighter outside of his best weightclass. Hopkins is just a bad style matchup for Pavlik(like Cotto-Margarito). Very good win for Joe(probably his best) but that wasn't prime Bernard...

[street bully]

Yeah, this makes me think about Calzaghe/Hopkins. When Joe beat B-Hop everyone claimed that he beat an old man, then B-Hop schooled Pavlik and then he's great again. So Joe never got any credit.

Thing is I do not think Joe beat Hopkins.

[Dambala]

Thing is I do not think Joe beat Hopkins.

Well, it was a really close fight, could've go either way, but it was like Joe wanted the win more.

[street bully]

Any other thought from the people who fall under this category?

[NorvernRob]

Bump.

Strange how there aren't many people posting replies to this thread, they're probably too busy making up bull**** excuses for when Pac stops Cotto - like Margarito's illegal handwraps took something out of him (you know the ones that he probably didn't even use)

[bojangles1987]

Bump.

Strange how there aren't many people posting replies to this thread, they're probably too busy making up bull**** excuses for when Pac stops Cotto - like Margarito's illegal handwraps took something out of him (you know the ones that he probably didn't even use)

There are too many people who want to make excuses when a fighter they like loses. The worst Pac fans will be making excuses if he loses as well.

Also, does everyone here just assume Margarito was wrapping his hands for the Cotto fight? Margarito didn't win by some lucky big punch or combination, he won because he had Cotto beaten mentally. Cotto hit Margarito with every big punch he could muster and none of it worked. If that fight messed Cotto up permanently, the same can be said for Margarito.