Was Ali really the greatest?

[GJC]

That he actively never TRAINED Ali doesn't matter. As the co-trainer he has been close enough for us to take his "Foreman poisoning" allegations seriously.

Nope that would only be YOU that takes his allegations seriously.
Drunk and broke, the cash cow retired with no spare cash for him, now lets think.... everyone has heard all the old storys lets make up something new and controversial.

[GJC]

Oh, I see: "Kill the messenger not the message". He was broke, so? He drank, so? That broke drunk guy was the trainer of Ali.

Moreover I base my statements on Foreman's words, too:
http://www.boxingscene.com/forums/sh...39#post5611639

No more ignore the messager and disbelieve the message.
Ever heard that people who have a tired old story and no money make up new bits to earn sell the same old story?

[F l i c k e r]

Was Ali really the greatest or like Floyd Mayweather,just great at convincing us that he was?Your thought...

He isn't the greatest boxer ever. I will agree with the greatest heavyweight but the greatest boxer ever, I will argue against that.

I like Tommy Hearns as p4p the G.O.A.T, my reasoning behind this is because look at the guy's accomplishments.

The first man ever to win four world titles in four weight classes (1987-10-29): from 147 to 154 to 175 to 160 to be the first ever Quadruple Champion in boxing.
The first man ever to win five world titles in five different boxing divisions: (1988-11-04): from 147 to 154 to 175 to 160 to 168. The first ever Quintuple Champion in boxing.
The first man to win a world title at welterweight (147) and then later win a world title at super middleweight (1988-11-04).
The first man to win a world title at welterweight (147) and then later win a world title at light-heavyweight (1987-03-07).
The first man to win a world title at super welterweight (154) and then later win a world title at super middleweight (1988-11-04).
The first man to win a world title at super welterweight (154) and then later win a world title at light-heavyweight (1987-03-07).
The first man to win a world title at middleweight (160) and then later win a world title at super middleweight (1988-11-04).
The first man to win a world title at super middleweight (168) and then later win a world title at light heavyweight title (1991-06-03).
The first man to win a world title at light heavyweight (175) and then later win a world title at middleweight (1987-10-29).
The first man to win a world title at light heavyweight (175), win a world title at middleweight and later win another light heavyweight title (1991-06-03).
The 11th man to win three different titles in three different weight divisions (1987-03-07): 147 to 154 to 175 to be a Triple Champion.
The 42nd WBA world welterweight (147) champion.
The 18th WBC world super welterweight (154) champion.
The 11th The Ring super welterweight (154) champion.
The 19th WBC world middleweight (160) champion.
The 14th WBC world light heavyweight (175) champion.
The 36th WBA world light heavyweight (175) champion.
The 8th WBU world cruiserweight (200) champion.
The 7th IBO world cruiserweight champion.

That's greatest of all time, in my eyes.

[StarshipTrooper]

No more ignore the messager and disbelieve the message.
Ever heard that people who have a tired old story and no money make up new bits to earn sell the same old story?

The fact that the douche bag thinks Ali's court jester was his trainer speaks volumes of knn's ignorance and lack of intelligence.....I have a bridge in Brooklyn I'm putting on the market: I think knn might be interested.

Poet

[BEEHOP]

The greatest HW of all time, Klits, Lewis, Tyson just don't compare.

[billionaire]

**** maybe the best heavy weight but i consider Armstrong the greatest!!!

armstrong i consider top 3 the only thing was he had a very short prime of 2-3 years...partly because he fought so much at so many different weights and partly because of his attacking style.....ali was damn near on top for 12 years....

[StarshipTrooper]

He isn't the greatest boxer ever. I will agree with the greatest heavyweight but the greatest boxer ever, I will argue against that.

I like Tommy Hearns as p4p the G.O.A.T, my reasoning behind this is because look at the guy's accomplishments.

The first man ever to win four world titles in four weight classes (1987-10-29): from 147 to 154 to 175 to 160 to be the first ever Quadruple Champion in boxing.
The first man ever to win five world titles in five different boxing divisions: (1988-11-04): from 147 to 154 to 175 to 160 to 168. The first ever Quintuple Champion in boxing.
The first man to win a world title at welterweight (147) and then later win a world title at super middleweight (1988-11-04).
The first man to win a world title at welterweight (147) and then later win a world title at light-heavyweight (1987-03-07).
The first man to win a world title at super welterweight (154) and then later win a world title at super middleweight (1988-11-04).
The first man to win a world title at super welterweight (154) and then later win a world title at light-heavyweight (1987-03-07).
The first man to win a world title at middleweight (160) and then later win a world title at super middleweight (1988-11-04).
The first man to win a world title at super middleweight (168) and then later win a world title at light heavyweight title (1991-06-03).
The first man to win a world title at light heavyweight (175) and then later win a world title at middleweight (1987-10-29).
The first man to win a world title at light heavyweight (175), win a world title at middleweight and later win another light heavyweight title (1991-06-03).
The 11th man to win three different titles in three different weight divisions (1987-03-07): 147 to 154 to 175 to be a Triple Champion.
The 42nd WBA world welterweight (147) champion.
The 18th WBC world super welterweight (154) champion.
The 11th The Ring super welterweight (154) champion.
The 19th WBC world middleweight (160) champion.
The 14th WBC world light heavyweight (175) champion.
The 36th WBA world light heavyweight (175) champion.
The 8th WBU world cruiserweight (200) champion.
The 7th IBO world cruiserweight champion.

That's greatest of all time, in my eyes.

First man to get KTFO by both Ray Leonard and Marvin Hagler at Caesar's Palace.....first man to get KTFO by Iran Barkley in a title fight.....not to mention the most overhyped fighter to lose every big fight he was in.....yep, that's the GOAT.

Poet

[cooper's left]

No, Ali isn't "the greatest", he's top-ten though. I've watched almost all of Ali's wins and he isn't nearly as impressive as the writers made/make him sound. I think he tends to get overrated because of his political activism controversies like draft dodging and his "black power" ties to the racist Malcolm X.

He did beat some truly great fighters and so he's has to be one of the greatest, but as you say, the media do enjoy over-rating the man.

[Dynamite Kid]

............................Not imo.

[DuttyAlacrity]

First man to get KTFO by both Ray Leonard and Marvin Hagler at Caesar's Palace.....first man to get KTFO by Iran Barkley in a title fight.....not to mention the most overhyped fighter to lose every big fight he was in.....yep, that's the GOAT.

Poet

His destruction of Roberto Duran not withstanding? Also, he was shafted in his rematch with SRL that ended in a draw
I take it that Wilfred Benetiz is a tomato can in your opinion?