A few I havent seen mentioned about the fight ( Pac v. Cotto)

[freedom213]

From all the threads I've read so far and across WWW both sides have compelling solid arguments of which back their opinions.

The only real way to predict a fight is basically theorizing how both would do against each other if* they both brought their A game.

No one will argue that since Pac's first loss to Morales that he has improved immensely over the years.

While on the other hand it seems as though that Cotto is slowly deteriorating. Look it at it how you like but, IMHO after the Marg fight I can honestly say that Cotto is and hasn't been the same.

Coming in to this fight it is crucial to both fighters knowing how they ended their last fights. How they finished, how they improved, what mistakes they made etc etc. It gives them a sense of where they are at.

Now it is my opinion that because Clottey was able to land clean shots w/ no problem on Cotto all night. Pac may not have the physical size as Clottey, but he would have the hand speed over Clottey w/out a doubt. Pac speed and accuracy leads me to believe he'll do the same if not more.

Speed > Power. Timing can disrupt hand speed i.e JMM v. Pac. But, Cottos is no JMM. Cotto has technical skills, but I believe his movement and gas tank will not match to Pac's.

When I look at both fighters I see that both carry the weight of their country over their shoulders. I see that Cotto has this real warrior-like performance. Pac no matter who the opposition fights at 110% every single time and the x-factor which is the scariest part is that he's still improving.

My prediction: Pac by 11rd. TKO. Cotto puts up a real fight but Manny relentlessness and endless gas tank + his innate ability to land 3-4 punches before the other fighter lands one back will eventually break down the Puerto Rican.

very good post

Both guys are capable of winning this fight but in different manners. Pac needs to get in and out doing damage without taking punches and I see him getting a late TKO or decision victory(likely the latter)

Cotto needs to mix it up like he did against Mosley. Bring the jab which will deter Pac from bouncing in and out with such abandon. take away pacs legs by going downstairs and keep his guard up to avoid the straight left.

On the point of Cotto showing signs of deterioration:

Much has been stated on this, 95% of which stems from his fight against Clottey but rewatch the fight and you will notice that Cotto fought with an immense amount of courage and a lot of moments of success against a guy, much like Paul Williams, that no welteweight seems to want to fight. How many guys could fight through a cut like the one Cotto received? Not many. How many boxers would have had the skill and perceverence to go out and take the last two rounds against Clottey who seemed to be gaining momentum? I might be one of the few on here who think this but I think Cotto's win against Clottey will give him the confidence in himself that he lost against MArgarito and experience that he can fight through the pain, bleeding and distraction of being partially blind against a top level opponent who fought one of the best fights of his life and come out victorious. I think Cotto wins this in big fashion but whatever happens we will have great fight.

[freedom213]

There's a lot of circumstances which you don't mention, yet make assumptions like cuts. A deteriorating Cotto was able to find a way to win a very tough fight with a nasty gash. south paw vs conventional, its almost sure someone will get cut, not necessarily by a punch. On the other hand, if that was Pac was Cotto vs Clottey, could we expect the same result? Again, ppl talking about Pac's work rate, speed and power, is Cotto fighting with two tied hands behind his back? How many guy has Cotto stopped who never been stopped before? You think Maybe, just maybe, Cotto might have enough pop to disrupt those combos? Will Cotto run into Pac's shots same way Hatton did? If not what happens then, maybe Pac starts bullying his way in and get caught with something? Yes, there are a lot of questions that will be answered in Nov, should be a great fight.

I should of just diddoed your post as opposed to regurgitating your points, very good post. This fight will go south real fast for Pac if he lets Cotto on the inside to use his strength. Dont forget Cotto will be the strongest guy, hardest puncher and most prime fighter Pac has ever faced. Durability wise Manny will have some serious challenges against Cotto who is punishing at 147 and was a destroyer at 140.

[Sin City]

speed isn't always better then power.
and timing is the key to punching.
as we have all seen, Cotto has some excellent timing
against Judah and Mosley especially we saw this.
the question as you said befor is whether
he is damaged goods or not.

[Luis12]

very good post

Both guys are capable of winning this fight but in different manners. Pac needs to get in and out doing damage without taking punches and I see him getting a late TKO or decision victory(likely the latter)

Cotto needs to mix it up like he did against Mosley. Bring the jab which will deter Pac from bouncing in and out with such abandon. take away pacs legs by going downstairs and keep his guard up to avoid the straight left.

On the point of Cotto showing signs of deterioration:

Much has been stated on this, 95% of which stems from his fight against Clottey but rewatch the fight and you will notice that Cotto fought with an immense amount of courage and a lot of moments of success against a guy, much like Paul Williams, that no welteweight seems to want to fight. How many guys could fight through a cut like the one Cotto received? Not many. How many boxers would have had the skill and perceverence to go out and take the last two rounds against Clottey who seemed to be gaining momentum? I might be one of the few on here who think this but I think Cotto's win against Clottey will give him the confidence in himself that he lost against MArgarito and experience that he can fight through the pain, bleeding and distraction of being partially blind against a top level opponent who fought one of the best fights of his life and come out victorious. I think Cotto wins this in big fashion but whatever happens we will have great fight.

very good post. unlike some people think i believe that pac needs a ko early in the fight. everyone talk about pac tko cotto but what will happen when cotto lands the left hook. i don't think pac can handle the power of cotto

[mikelovesfood]

very good post. unlike some people think i believe that pac needs a ko early in the fight. everyone talk about pac tko cotto but what will happen when cotto lands the left hook. i don't think pac can handle the power of cotto

I just can't wait for the final signing of the fight.

[Beater_of_ass]

Cotto's best abilities, his jab and his left hook to the body are the best ways to beat Paq. Cotto will go to Paqs body, even with a guy with great defense like Clottey Cotto was still able to land over 50 solid body shots. Paq has nowhere near the defense that Clottey had, Paq has been KO'd twice from body shots in his career and the real flaw is that Paq keeps his hands extremely high. Cotto is THE best body puncher in boxing, that left hook to the body is vicious Paq will not be able to handle it. As for the jab, Cotto has the timing and power to do some damage with a jab. I mean the guy has knocked down TWO opponents with a jab how many people can say they have even done that to one opponent? I'm not saying Paq can't win but if anyone thinks its going to be a pushover they are sadly mistaken. Cotto is on a whole other level than Diaz, an old, tired DLH and Cotto is certainly not some guy who just tries to run you over like Hatton, he knows how to make his way in w/o getting in harms way and that's with his vicious jab.

[The Gully Gad]

I think Pac bullrushes him and takes the fight...

Keeping up with that little dude's workrate and the amount of shots he throws at a time
punches in bunches is to much...

Cotto great fighter not the force he once was but still capable of beating the rest...

[mikelovesfood]

Cotto's best abilities, his jab and his left hook to the body are the best ways to beat Paq. Cotto will go to Paqs body, even with a guy with great defense like Clottey Cotto was still able to land over 50 solid body shots. Paq has nowhere near the defense that Clottey had, Paq has been KO'd twice from body shots in his career and the real flaw is that Paq keeps his hands extremely high. Cotto is THE best body puncher in boxing, that left hook to the body is vicious Paq will not be able to handle it. As for the jab, Cotto has the timing and power to do some damage with a jab. I mean the guy has knocked down TWO opponents with a jab how many people can say they have even done that to one opponent? I'm not saying Paq can't win but if anyone thinks its going to be a pushover they are sadly mistaken. Cotto is on a whole other level than Diaz, an old, tired DLH and Cotto is certainly not some guy who just tries to run you over like Hatton, he knows how to make his way in w/o getting in harms way and that's with his vicious jab.

"Paq has nowhere near the defense that Clottey had," - Beater of Ass.

You mean his stationary-like defense? Where his defense was just to put his mitts up to cover his face? Where was upper body movement. lower footwork. head movement. etc etc.

Did you even watch the fight?

That scene where it seemed Cotto was mauling Clottey backed up in the corner only to see after Clottey put his mitts down to wave his head left and right indicating he wasnt hurt.

That's poor ring I.Q imo. When a guys is coming at you w/ vicious lefts and right the last thing you want to do is get yourself back into a corner (FMJr is an exception i.e Hatton KO).

[Pullcounter]

From all the threads I've read so far and across WWW both sides have compelling solid arguments of which back their opinions.

The only real way to predict a fight is basically theorizing how both would do against each other if* they both brought their A game.

No one will argue that since Pac's first loss to Morales that he has improved immensely over the years.

While on the other hand it seems as though that Cotto is slowly deteriorating. Look it at it how you like but, IMHO after the Marg fight I can honestly say that Cotto is and hasn't been the same.

Coming in to this fight it is crucial to both fighters knowing how they ended their last fights. How they finished, how they improved, what mistakes they made etc etc. It gives them a sense of where they are at.

Now it is my opinion that because Clottey was able to land clean shots w/ no problem on Cotto all night. Pac may not have the physical size as Clottey, but he would have the hand speed over Clottey w/out a doubt. Pac speed and accuracy leads me to believe he'll do the same if not more.

Speed > Power. Timing can disrupt hand speed i.e JMM v. Pac. But, Cottos is no JMM. Cotto has technical skills, but I believe his movement and gas tank will not match to Pac's.

When I look at both fighters I see that both carry the weight of their country over their shoulders. I see that Cotto has this real warrior-like performance. Pac no matter who the opposition fights at 110% every single time and the x-factor which is the scariest part is that he's still improving.

My prediction: Pac by 11rd. TKO. Cotto puts up a real fight but Manny relentlessness and endless gas tank + his innate ability to land 3-4 punches before the other fighter lands one back will eventually break down the Puerto Rican.

good post, but futile.

if cotto can't beat a midget weighing 10 lbs less than him on fight night, he needs to quit boxing.

[street bully]

Cotto should win by KO once he puts heavy leather on Pac.

Very true, but homie. I am telling you Pacquiao will be very very cautious in the early rounds like he was against De La Hoya staying far out of range, and throwing one or 2 shots at a time. He will pick it up after the 6th round when Cotto starts slowing down.